1 00:00:12,670 --> 00:00:06,160 and now your host of California MUFON 2 00:00:15,129 --> 00:00:12,680 radio Laurie infant welcome everyone to 3 00:00:18,550 --> 00:00:15,139 the California MUFON radio show I'm your 4 00:00:21,610 --> 00:00:18,560 host Lori in Vinton wowie-zowie that's 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:21,620 the only the only words I can use to 6 00:00:24,970 --> 00:00:23,210 describe what I have been through in the 7 00:00:26,650 --> 00:00:24,980 last two weeks since I have not talked 8 00:00:29,529 --> 00:00:26,660 to you guys oh my god 9 00:00:32,380 --> 00:00:29,539 I miss my MUFON family over here at IR 10 00:00:35,049 --> 00:00:32,390 and I can't believe it oh my god you 11 00:00:37,059 --> 00:00:35,059 guys I'm telling ya what can I say I 12 00:00:39,279 --> 00:00:37,069 better get in the chatroom I got a funny 13 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:39,289 feeling my little rant tonight's gonna 14 00:00:45,639 --> 00:00:41,809 take on a whole new dimension by the 15 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:45,649 time I get done so let me get into the 16 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:47,390 chatroom I knew there was something I 17 00:00:50,979 --> 00:00:48,889 was supposed to be doing you know I am 18 00:00:53,410 --> 00:00:50,989 like the world's worst radio talk-show 19 00:00:57,250 --> 00:00:53,420 host it wasn't for MJ nothing would 20 00:01:00,459 --> 00:00:57,260 happen I just be sitting here talking to 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:00,469 myself all night that was so much fun 22 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:03,170 actually I've done that I've been on 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:04,729 other networks where I'm sitting there 24 00:01:08,859 --> 00:01:06,530 and I go for an hour then I realize 25 00:01:12,670 --> 00:01:08,869 someone pops in and says oh you've been 26 00:01:15,999 --> 00:01:12,680 off air for 45 minutes I like oh great 27 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:16,009 this is great anyhow so thank God MJ's 28 00:01:20,050 --> 00:01:17,930 behind the wheel that's all I gotta say 29 00:01:21,940 --> 00:01:20,060 here cuz it just wouldn't be the same 30 00:01:24,429 --> 00:01:21,950 without him that's for sure and I would 31 00:01:26,469 --> 00:01:24,439 be able to get into the chat room dammit 32 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:26,479 login as a guest tonight let's see if 33 00:01:31,630 --> 00:01:28,729 you can do that let's login as a guest 34 00:01:33,340 --> 00:01:31,640 they turn off all the notifications I 35 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:33,350 don't hear the little Bell buzzing the 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:36,350 whole time there we go okay so I'm ready 37 00:01:38,709 --> 00:01:38,090 to rock and roll okay so where do I 38 00:01:42,910 --> 00:01:38,719 start 39 00:01:45,609 --> 00:01:42,920 okay I got to the MUFON symposium and it 40 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:45,619 was very interesting they put me out in 41 00:01:50,380 --> 00:01:47,570 the lobby I don't know if you guys saw 42 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:50,390 the Facebook postings but I was not in 43 00:01:54,999 --> 00:01:52,609 the vendor room this time which was 44 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:55,009 great and I did request not to be in the 45 00:02:01,660 --> 00:01:58,130 vendor room because I assumed stupid me 46 00:02:04,450 --> 00:02:01,670 I assumed that our so the other network 47 00:02:06,819 --> 00:02:04,460 that deals with MUFON would be out in 48 00:02:09,609 --> 00:02:06,829 the lobby as well so I was kind of 49 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:09,619 demanding that I be given equal casting 50 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:12,530 to the other network and that was great 51 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:14,690 and the new owners of the next the other 52 00:02:17,230 --> 00:02:16,580 network are actually pretty nice people 53 00:02:18,610 --> 00:02:17,240 and 54 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:18,620 you know everything was good they were 55 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:20,210 in the vendor room I was out in the 56 00:02:24,220 --> 00:02:22,130 lobby everybody's doing their interviews 57 00:02:27,220 --> 00:02:24,230 everything was good except for two 58 00:02:28,750 --> 00:02:27,230 things first of all my hot spot would 59 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:28,760 not work in the building they put a 60 00:02:34,810 --> 00:02:30,800 dampening field that's like the cone of 61 00:02:37,090 --> 00:02:34,820 silence I'll get smart over that stupid 62 00:02:39,070 --> 00:02:37,100 building that you cannot get any you 63 00:02:41,050 --> 00:02:39,080 can't get a signal out er in no one 64 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:41,060 could make a phone call I mean it was 65 00:02:48,010 --> 00:02:43,610 unbelievable how these guys blocked us 66 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:48,020 from doing anything without you know 67 00:02:52,060 --> 00:02:50,090 paying for it they wanted 10 bucks a day 68 00:02:56,050 --> 00:02:52,070 for you to get any access anywhere it 69 00:02:59,080 --> 00:02:56,060 was insane so finally after three hours 70 00:03:01,890 --> 00:02:59,090 of trying to get on inception radio 71 00:03:04,510 --> 00:03:01,900 network late night in the Midlands and 72 00:03:06,490 --> 00:03:04,520 revolution radio I tried all three to 73 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:06,500 get connected to all three so I could do 74 00:03:11,020 --> 00:03:08,720 live broadcasting from the event and 75 00:03:15,090 --> 00:03:11,030 keep you guys posted on what was going 76 00:03:17,980 --> 00:03:15,100 on I gave up after three or four hours I 77 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:17,990 during that time on Friday trying to 78 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:20,090 hook up to all the networks what 79 00:03:26,020 --> 00:03:23,480 happened was there was a press 80 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:26,030 conference and in the press conference 81 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:29,920 was an debisch I go mark McCandlish 82 00:03:37,420 --> 00:03:34,850 Michael Salah by Michael shre at Quarry 83 00:03:40,690 --> 00:03:37,430 good a whole bunch of people and I had 84 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:40,700 brought Aaron my buddy Aaron who is my 85 00:03:44,950 --> 00:03:43,010 tech guy for this weekend and he helped 86 00:03:46,450 --> 00:03:44,960 me out a lot at the conference and I 87 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:46,460 want to thank him for that he did an 88 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:49,730 amazing job and he came along and I said 89 00:03:53,020 --> 00:03:51,530 hey I can't get to this thing I'm still 90 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:53,030 trying to connect to all the networks 91 00:03:57,460 --> 00:03:54,290 even though I'm supposed to be there 92 00:04:00,880 --> 00:03:57,470 asking questions and you know throwing 93 00:04:03,490 --> 00:04:00,890 slings and arrows I guess I'm not to be 94 00:04:05,470 --> 00:04:03,500 and he says no that's fine I'll go for 95 00:04:07,420 --> 00:04:05,480 ya and I said well just the only thing I 96 00:04:09,820 --> 00:04:07,430 want out of it at the end they usually 97 00:04:12,370 --> 00:04:09,830 ask if you want an interview with the 98 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:12,380 guys or if they don't then you go up to 99 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:13,730 them and ask them if they'll do an 100 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:15,410 interview and I want you to get Cory 101 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:18,170 good sitting behind my table at the end 102 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:20,870 of that thing or later tonight or 103 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:23,990 tomorrow okay you're sure no problem 104 00:04:28,719 --> 00:04:25,910 so of course the first thing he does is 105 00:04:31,050 --> 00:04:28,729 the second it ends and the guy says the 106 00:04:33,970 --> 00:04:31,060 the PR marketing guy for move on 107 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:33,980 come on up and yeah you know I'll get 108 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:35,510 you an interview with any of the people 109 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:37,730 up here on the panel he's the first one 110 00:04:43,780 --> 00:04:41,030 to add them and he says I my my radio 111 00:04:45,970 --> 00:04:43,790 talk show whole ad lady and I want to 112 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:45,980 you know interview Corey good and I went 113 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:48,320 to videotape and everything and the guy 114 00:04:51,580 --> 00:04:50,240 goes sure no problem and he walks over 115 00:04:54,010 --> 00:04:51,590 to Corey and they walk out in the 116 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:54,020 hallway they have a chat he comes back 117 00:04:58,540 --> 00:04:55,730 in and says yeah he'll be down in about 118 00:05:00,460 --> 00:04:58,550 an hour and all's good and so Aaron 119 00:05:02,230 --> 00:05:00,470 comes back and tells me so I'm like 120 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:02,240 sitting there trying to get connected 121 00:05:06,910 --> 00:05:04,610 still never good so we got the video 122 00:05:09,910 --> 00:05:06,920 camera set up we got all recording stuff 123 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:09,920 set up I turned away Ben moss and I 124 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:11,510 turned away another person I can't 125 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:13,190 remember who it was right now for Oh 126 00:05:18,340 --> 00:05:15,890 Frank and I turned these people away 127 00:05:20,470 --> 00:05:18,350 that had appointments with me to sit in 128 00:05:21,970 --> 00:05:20,480 the hot seat and do an interview even 129 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:21,980 though I was only recording at this 130 00:05:28,930 --> 00:05:25,610 point and Corey good never shows up so 131 00:05:31,990 --> 00:05:28,940 later on that evening about 7:30 I think 132 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:32,000 this is now 4:30 at 7:00 7:00 7:30 when 133 00:05:35,950 --> 00:05:34,250 the binners gonna start he shows up and 134 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:35,960 he's talking to my good friend Janet 135 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:38,570 right at the entrance at this big Lobby 136 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:40,610 and I see him across the way and Aaron 137 00:05:44,650 --> 00:05:41,840 sees them and Aaron goes should I go 138 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:44,660 talk don't grab him now and I said nope 139 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:49,280 let me do it so as you guys all know I 140 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:53,570 am not shy with anybody so here we go I 141 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:56,630 walk up and Janet says Oh cor I'd like 142 00:05:59,770 --> 00:05:58,160 you to meet my good friend Laurie and 143 00:06:01,450 --> 00:05:59,780 Annie sticks out his hand he looks at me 144 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:01,460 and I says I grabbed his hand I shake it 145 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:03,170 I said I know you Corey I've met you 146 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:05,450 before and I'm not real happy about the 147 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:09,080 fact that you blew me off for my bar 148 00:06:13,390 --> 00:06:11,840 interview and he's dumbfounded he goes I 149 00:06:15,730 --> 00:06:13,400 didn't have an interview with anybody I 150 00:06:17,770 --> 00:06:15,740 said yeah you did with me I go you made 151 00:06:21,010 --> 00:06:17,780 the arrangements with the I think his 152 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:21,020 name was Barry or Jerry at the the MUFON 153 00:06:25,690 --> 00:06:23,570 press conference he goes oh no I just I 154 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:25,700 was gonna come down in about an hour I 155 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:28,310 never made any appointment so basically 156 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:31,010 you know there was a little lack of 157 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:33,050 communication there and I probably 158 00:06:37,780 --> 00:06:36,050 cornered him too hard and and got kind 159 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:37,790 of angry with him and I basically said 160 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:39,410 I'll see you tomorrow and we'll do an 161 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:40,880 interview then of course I knew he'd 162 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:43,250 never show up now having said all that 163 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:44,750 I'm not into manic 164 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:46,610 worried about all this I'm more mad at 165 00:06:51,730 --> 00:06:49,250 myself because what I should have done 166 00:06:53,890 --> 00:06:51,740 is I should have gone to his handler 167 00:06:56,910 --> 00:06:53,900 which is this marketing guy that was 168 00:06:59,830 --> 00:06:56,920 with them and this blonde lady that is a 169 00:07:01,540 --> 00:06:59,840 interviewer or sorts that interviewed 170 00:07:04,180 --> 00:07:01,550 his wife they were all kind of around 171 00:07:05,650 --> 00:07:04,190 him in an entourage situation and I 172 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:05,660 should have gone up there and said look 173 00:07:09,910 --> 00:07:07,490 we really need an interview for MUFON 174 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:09,920 radio and I'd like to have it done and 175 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:11,930 just kind of cordon them all and let 176 00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:14,570 them be with him during the interview 177 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:15,830 because I think what's going on with 178 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:18,110 Cory is I don't think they're allowing 179 00:07:25,030 --> 00:07:19,970 him to do interviews with anybody that 180 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:25,040 isn't pre-approved by whomever so I just 181 00:07:29,290 --> 00:07:26,990 I kind of got that feeling as the days 182 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:29,300 went by what was happening is I saw him 183 00:07:33,610 --> 00:07:31,850 surrounded by thoughts Raj so I just 184 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:33,620 figured well you know it's my fault I 185 00:07:37,060 --> 00:07:34,970 should have done something different and 186 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:37,070 you know I gotta say he was pretty busy 187 00:07:40,930 --> 00:07:38,570 he was tired he had a lot of things on 188 00:07:42,670 --> 00:07:40,940 his mind I'm sure he had much more than 189 00:07:44,170 --> 00:07:42,680 that on his mind because if I get to the 190 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:44,180 next part you guys will probably just 191 00:07:49,380 --> 00:07:46,400 all hate me but you know what I don't 192 00:07:53,050 --> 00:07:49,390 care I'm pretty much at the point where 193 00:07:55,750 --> 00:07:53,060 the whole MUFON seen the whole UFO seen 194 00:07:59,140 --> 00:07:55,760 the whole craziness of it all I'm just 195 00:08:01,270 --> 00:07:59,150 starting to wonder if anybody has any if 196 00:08:03,969 --> 00:08:01,280 anybody has any brains left in the whole 197 00:08:06,070 --> 00:08:03,979 group at all seriously folks I'm just 198 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:06,080 I'm I got home and I thought this is it 199 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:06,770 I'm done 200 00:08:10,180 --> 00:08:08,570 I don't want to do another MUFON Nene I 201 00:08:13,180 --> 00:08:10,190 don't want to do anything I got to that 202 00:08:15,670 --> 00:08:13,190 exasperated place again but since then 203 00:08:17,620 --> 00:08:15,680 I've snapped back and now I'm telling 204 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:17,630 you guys everything I feel about all 205 00:08:21,010 --> 00:08:19,310 this so anyhow so that was the first 206 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:21,020 thing that happened now I need to sit 207 00:08:24,790 --> 00:08:22,610 with my coffee cuz this is gonna be 208 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:24,800 there's gonna be one of those long rants 209 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:30,890 so okay so that's Friday night or Friday 210 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:33,169 afternoon into Friday evening then 211 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:35,930 Saturday comes along and I finally got a 212 00:08:40,209 --> 00:08:38,630 hold of Jan Harsin now I love Jan you 213 00:08:42,310 --> 00:08:40,219 guys all know that I stick for him up 214 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:42,320 for him all the time he's the executive 215 00:08:47,020 --> 00:08:44,300 director of Lou fond he has inherited a 216 00:08:49,060 --> 00:08:47,030 can of worms he's doing the best he can 217 00:08:52,930 --> 00:08:49,070 and I really got to give him kudos for 218 00:08:55,210 --> 00:08:52,940 bringing in Andy Bush a go Corey good 219 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:55,220 you know and all the people that are 220 00:09:00,970 --> 00:08:58,130 Earth's never been at a MUFON 221 00:09:02,890 --> 00:09:00,980 symposium in their life before are never 222 00:09:05,530 --> 00:09:02,900 invited because their stories were so 223 00:09:07,270 --> 00:09:05,540 far out there that no other director 224 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:07,280 would even take the chance so I got to 225 00:09:11,530 --> 00:09:09,350 give him credit for that and what it 226 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:11,540 really did and I told Janice at the very 227 00:09:16,150 --> 00:09:13,370 end of the conference I said you know 228 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:16,160 what you've done it she polarized the 229 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:18,830 community and he goes well I wasn't 230 00:09:21,820 --> 00:09:20,270 really trying to pull rise and I was 231 00:09:24,580 --> 00:09:21,830 trying to get them to start thinking 232 00:09:27,010 --> 00:09:24,590 about the different facets of it I said 233 00:09:28,930 --> 00:09:27,020 I get that but we really didn't quite 234 00:09:30,850 --> 00:09:28,940 polarize them and I said it may be a 235 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:30,860 good thing cuz what's gonna happen is 236 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:33,050 people are gonna start saying do I want 237 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:34,750 proof or do I want 238 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:37,430 fantasy you know it's gonna really draw 239 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:40,190 the line between who's given us proof 240 00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:41,600 and it's kind of like taking us back to 241 00:09:47,110 --> 00:09:44,750 the 50s and 60s and 70s you know like I 242 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:47,120 want my proof or do I want to go with 243 00:09:50,860 --> 00:09:49,010 this thing that says time and space 244 00:09:53,230 --> 00:09:50,870 don't matter and consciousness is the 245 00:09:54,940 --> 00:09:53,240 key and it's all what you know the 246 00:09:58,090 --> 00:09:54,950 aliens are doing to us in our 247 00:10:00,100 --> 00:09:58,100 consciousness you know and that's okay I 248 00:10:02,380 --> 00:10:00,110 have no problem with ideas I thought it 249 00:10:04,540 --> 00:10:02,390 was a brilliant move actually because 250 00:10:07,180 --> 00:10:04,550 you can have both feelings about it like 251 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:07,190 I do I I want the proof but I also I 252 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:09,440 really embrace the consciousness aspect 253 00:10:15,190 --> 00:10:11,810 of it so I thought it's pretty cool but 254 00:10:18,970 --> 00:10:15,200 the problem I had was when Corey Goode 255 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:18,980 got up on stage he started talking now 256 00:10:25,690 --> 00:10:21,650 I'm gonna preface this with everybody 257 00:10:27,370 --> 00:10:25,700 that knows me on God did he speaks 258 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:27,380 Sunday I think it was Sunday that he 259 00:10:32,650 --> 00:10:29,810 spoke I see he spoke at 10:30 in the 260 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:32,660 morning and everybody that knows me 261 00:10:38,650 --> 00:10:35,450 begged me to stay home and watch it from 262 00:10:40,090 --> 00:10:38,660 my friend's house and I said why and 263 00:10:41,980 --> 00:10:40,100 they say because we don't trust you I 264 00:10:43,930 --> 00:10:41,990 said what do you mean you don't trust me 265 00:10:46,450 --> 00:10:43,940 this is all my best friend's right and 266 00:10:48,250 --> 00:10:46,460 people and MUFON that are higher up I 267 00:10:49,810 --> 00:10:48,260 mean they're they're like watching me 268 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:49,820 like a hawk because they're afraid I'm 269 00:10:53,770 --> 00:10:52,250 gonna do something really outlandish and 270 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:53,780 you know I have been known to do 271 00:10:58,150 --> 00:10:55,810 something outlandish here and there and 272 00:10:59,830 --> 00:10:58,160 so they've kind of begged me to stay 273 00:11:04,780 --> 00:10:59,840 home and watch it on the live stream 274 00:11:06,940 --> 00:11:04,790 which I had access to and so I did and 275 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:06,950 they you know what they were absolutely 276 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:09,290 right if I had been there I probably 277 00:11:11,950 --> 00:11:11,510 would have blown a gasket about halfway 278 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:11,960 through 279 00:11:18,910 --> 00:11:14,720 his presentation ran up to the stage not 280 00:11:21,310 --> 00:11:18,920 in cameras over as I went and yelling at 281 00:11:23,830 --> 00:11:21,320 him and grabbing the microphone inciting 282 00:11:26,530 --> 00:11:23,840 everybody that I heard and steal a story 283 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:26,540 from right down the line because I'm not 284 00:11:33,010 --> 00:11:29,570 a aunt okay I'm not an idiot and I 285 00:11:35,380 --> 00:11:33,020 remember things and it really got me 286 00:11:37,180 --> 00:11:35,390 going when I heard him say and then 287 00:11:38,590 --> 00:11:37,190 there's this that happened and this that 288 00:11:41,650 --> 00:11:38,600 happened and this that happened if this 289 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:41,660 that happened not once saying this is my 290 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:44,090 experience and if you don't want to 291 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:46,010 believe it that's fine but this is what 292 00:11:50,980 --> 00:11:48,350 I experienced he never once said that he 293 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:50,990 said this is what people have said this 294 00:11:55,810 --> 00:11:53,140 is what people have said and he stoled 295 00:11:58,780 --> 00:11:55,820 everybody in uniform then it's been out 296 00:12:00,670 --> 00:11:58,790 there since 1965 it's told every one of 297 00:12:03,730 --> 00:12:00,680 their stories and put them up there like 298 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:03,740 their facts and you know I get that most 299 00:12:07,300 --> 00:12:05,690 of these are facts and half of them 300 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:07,310 aren't and whatever you know I don't 301 00:12:12,790 --> 00:12:09,770 care but for him to get up there and 302 00:12:14,950 --> 00:12:12,800 steal everybody else's stuff and act 303 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:14,960 like it's his and that he's the great 304 00:12:20,260 --> 00:12:17,570 Messiah bringing it all together put me 305 00:12:22,180 --> 00:12:20,270 into a tizzy I mean I was absolutely I 306 00:12:23,890 --> 00:12:22,190 I'm lucky I didn't get a ticket driving 307 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:23,900 back to the hotel right at the end of 308 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:27,170 the speech I was so angry thank God I 309 00:12:31,870 --> 00:12:29,330 had a 10-minute Drive because I calmed 310 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:31,880 down by the time I got there thank God 311 00:12:37,450 --> 00:12:35,630 and I was you know at that point I just 312 00:12:39,970 --> 00:12:37,460 said you know what what am I gonna do at 313 00:12:41,710 --> 00:12:39,980 this point what do you do I thought 314 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:41,720 here's what I'm gonna do I'm mister 315 00:12:45,940 --> 00:12:43,370 walking around the room and I'm gonna 316 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:45,950 start pulling people as to how they felt 317 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:48,950 about his presentation and honest to god 318 00:12:53,290 --> 00:12:50,930 folks I thought I was the only one 319 00:12:56,740 --> 00:12:53,300 thinking the way I was thinking every 320 00:12:58,540 --> 00:12:56,750 old-timer in the room was livid they 321 00:13:00,250 --> 00:12:58,550 were they were very angry because they 322 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:00,260 remembered all these stories and they 323 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:01,910 remembered it every time he said 324 00:13:09,730 --> 00:13:07,130 something they also or you know that 325 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:09,740 belongs to so and so and and he even 326 00:13:14,110 --> 00:13:12,290 blatantly stole stuff from me our Eisley 327 00:13:16,180 --> 00:13:14,120 which would just really pissed though 328 00:13:19,330 --> 00:13:16,190 and I just really got me going because 329 00:13:22,810 --> 00:13:19,340 n'yar has been abused for so long and 330 00:13:25,170 --> 00:13:22,820 again another woman abused in the UFO 331 00:13:27,690 --> 00:13:25,180 community and totally trashed and 332 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:27,700 whole bit now he's up there embracing 333 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:30,850 her story as if it's his own Oh God 334 00:13:36,300 --> 00:13:33,730 anyhow everybody was upset and I guess 335 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:36,310 the kicker for me was when he said you 336 00:13:39,750 --> 00:13:38,290 know we all just need to get along I 337 00:13:41,550 --> 00:13:39,760 mean didn't say it like that he 338 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:41,560 basically said you know it's time that 339 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:43,210 would you follow gee we all start 340 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:45,250 working together a bladder lab of that 341 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:47,110 you know basically it's you know I can't 342 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:49,570 we all just get along routine and then 343 00:13:55,830 --> 00:13:53,110 he had the nerve the absolute nerve that 344 00:13:58,650 --> 00:13:55,840 made me this is the part where I I was 345 00:14:00,330 --> 00:13:58,660 insane when I got in the car to say I'm 346 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:00,340 putting on conferences that are gonna 347 00:14:04,830 --> 00:14:02,770 change the world of ufology and I 348 00:14:06,990 --> 00:14:04,840 thought where were you 30 years ago 349 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:07,000 where were you when Bob Brown put on the 350 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:09,370 first international UFO Congress 25 351 00:14:13,650 --> 00:14:11,290 years ago where were you when all this 352 00:14:16,950 --> 00:14:13,660 was going on back then you were nobody 353 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:16,960 you were not even born you know and you 354 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:19,570 have the nerve to stand up here after a 355 00:14:23,820 --> 00:14:21,490 damn ski and all those guys did it in 356 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:23,830 the 50s to tell us that you're the 357 00:14:27,660 --> 00:14:25,840 coming of God Christ in the UFO 358 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:27,670 community and you're gonna bring us all 359 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:32,850 together well I'm sorry you're not and 360 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:36,010 okay so that's how I feel about that 361 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:39,070 having said that his presentation was 362 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:41,710 okay he did sit in a chair again he had 363 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:43,210 the same look on his face the whole 364 00:14:46,830 --> 00:14:44,980 thing time like he's a mind-controlled 365 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:46,840 victim like I've been saying all along 366 00:14:51,180 --> 00:14:49,150 he's a contacting mind-control victim 367 00:14:53,730 --> 00:14:51,190 psyops operative that is my absolute 368 00:14:55,620 --> 00:14:53,740 opinion after seeing this one I just you 369 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:55,630 know I'm like how people can't see this 370 00:15:00,330 --> 00:14:57,850 I am absolutely and sensed about why 371 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:00,340 people can't see this it's making me 372 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:02,710 nuts okay so that's number one and the 373 00:15:07,290 --> 00:15:04,390 second part was he had some pretty 374 00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:07,300 pictures up on a screen gee that's nice 375 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:12,070 what happened to the the secret space 376 00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:14,740 program craft that we all saw with an 377 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:18,790 f15 chasing it over giant rocket to less 378 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:20,770 than 200 feet above our heads and we've 379 00:15:25,530 --> 00:15:23,110 got videotape to prove it that we 380 00:15:28,290 --> 00:15:25,540 actually 62 people saw a secret space 381 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:28,300 program craft why was that not at the 382 00:15:33,420 --> 00:15:31,870 MUFON meeting okay I went up to Jan 19 383 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:33,430 go up to janitors two weeks before the 384 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:34,900 conference I called him one afternoon 385 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:36,730 and I said hey look why don't you open 386 00:15:41,710 --> 00:15:39,110 with Melinda talking on stage for 387 00:15:44,889 --> 00:15:41,720 five minutes showing the video of this 388 00:15:47,050 --> 00:15:44,899 craft in this jet escorting it it wasn't 389 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:47,060 chasing it was escorting the space 390 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:50,360 program craft and you have her up there 391 00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:52,610 on stage with me and Aaron and Tana and 392 00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:55,040 and Misha and and everybody else that 393 00:15:59,410 --> 00:15:56,959 was out a giant rock in the front row 394 00:16:01,000 --> 00:15:59,420 just stand up and say I am an eyewitness 395 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:01,010 this folks it was absolutely true and 396 00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:03,410 real we all saw it together why is it 397 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:06,470 why did that happen I am nuts over why 398 00:16:11,050 --> 00:16:08,870 that didn't happen that is the absolute 399 00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:11,060 truth it was there was salt it was real 400 00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:13,100 62 people experience it we got it on 401 00:16:16,060 --> 00:16:14,720 videotape and then have a whole 402 00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:16,070 conference around the secret space 403 00:16:19,660 --> 00:16:17,839 program and they can't put her up on 404 00:16:21,069 --> 00:16:19,670 stage for five minutes to open the 405 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:21,079 conference with that footage to prove 406 00:16:26,350 --> 00:16:23,990 that it does exist you know really that 407 00:16:28,210 --> 00:16:26,360 may mean nuts and then I got to the 408 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:28,220 conference and I said Jan why is it neat 409 00:16:31,420 --> 00:16:29,810 Melinda up on stage with that footage 410 00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:31,430 we'll pull it together for you in five 411 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:33,350 minutes yes oh well I don't know much 412 00:16:38,079 --> 00:16:35,450 about it did it get investigated you 413 00:16:40,540 --> 00:16:38,089 know it's another case of women in the 414 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:40,550 community not being being ignored and 415 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:42,410 thirty years of research under their 416 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:43,880 belt due to all kinds of stuff and 417 00:16:48,939 --> 00:16:47,360 they're totally ignored I'm sorry I'm 418 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:48,949 really upset right now I shouldn't be 419 00:16:53,949 --> 00:16:51,290 talking about this on the radio show but 420 00:16:57,009 --> 00:16:53,959 I am really upset you guys it's not just 421 00:17:00,930 --> 00:16:57,019 MUFON it's the whole UFO community they 422 00:17:03,579 --> 00:17:00,940 do not give a little tiny mouse but 423 00:17:05,890 --> 00:17:03,589 about us women in the community that 424 00:17:08,380 --> 00:17:05,900 I've been out here in the trenches for 425 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:08,390 them reporting to them all everything we 426 00:17:14,140 --> 00:17:11,150 do everything we see everything we we 427 00:17:15,819 --> 00:17:14,150 can contribute and we are the 428 00:17:17,860 --> 00:17:15,829 contributors you know you look at it and 429 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:17,870 most of the guys out there I mean I love 430 00:17:22,030 --> 00:17:19,549 them all don't get me wrong I love John 431 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Mac I love you know the list goes on and 432 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:23,890 on it the amazing men in the community 433 00:17:28,570 --> 00:17:27,049 but you know they all say if it wasn't 434 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:28,580 for my wife letting me do this I 435 00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,840 wouldn't be able to do it if it wasn't 436 00:17:32,980 --> 00:17:31,520 for this person I would be able to do 437 00:17:35,530 --> 00:17:32,990 this you know they always get help from 438 00:17:37,780 --> 00:17:35,540 us and we're always out here we've 439 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:37,790 always got their back but it seems that 440 00:17:41,740 --> 00:17:39,410 these conferences and these conference 441 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:41,750 producers never have hours they will let 442 00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:43,610 people like David Wilcock and Corey 443 00:17:49,150 --> 00:17:45,230 Goode and all these people get up and 444 00:17:52,660 --> 00:17:49,160 speak when there are 50 million not not 445 00:17:55,330 --> 00:17:52,670 50 million okay I know 50 women easily 446 00:17:57,460 --> 00:17:55,340 in the UFO community that have the most 447 00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,470 extraordinary stories and the most 448 00:18:01,360 --> 00:17:59,360 amazing things happen to them 449 00:18:03,970 --> 00:18:01,370 and they won't speak anywhere because 450 00:18:05,650 --> 00:18:03,980 they say they're treated like dirt they 451 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:05,660 said why would I want to go do that to 452 00:18:10,810 --> 00:18:08,210 myself you know and that's why at my 453 00:18:12,910 --> 00:18:10,820 conferences I have I try to have 50 454 00:18:14,860 --> 00:18:12,920 percent women 50 percent men speaking 455 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:14,870 and they're all treated equally nobody 456 00:18:18,850 --> 00:18:16,730 gets paid more than the other nobody 457 00:18:21,130 --> 00:18:18,860 gets paid anything but the point is 458 00:18:23,770 --> 00:18:21,140 they're all treated equally I do not 459 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:23,780 play favorites with people that I think 460 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:25,490 have a bigger name and get paid bigger 461 00:18:27,550 --> 00:18:26,210 bucks 462 00:18:29,470 --> 00:18:27,560 you know these poor women that 463 00:18:32,140 --> 00:18:29,480 contacting the desert are lucky to get a 464 00:18:36,370 --> 00:18:32,150 table and in a sunshade 465 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:36,380 you know seriously ah okay I'm trying to 466 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:39,890 keep trying to keep my composure okay I 467 00:18:46,030 --> 00:18:41,840 think that's all I wanted to say about 468 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:46,040 that night I think I better leave it at 469 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:48,890 that because I'm just I'm so upset you 470 00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:52,370 guys I can't begin to even tell you I I 471 00:18:58,780 --> 00:18:55,910 just feel bad you know today I I got a 472 00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:58,790 phone call from PBS television out of 473 00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:01,760 Chicago and they need my help pulling 474 00:19:09,460 --> 00:19:07,280 together a conspiracy TV show you know 475 00:19:11,140 --> 00:19:09,470 and I never asked to be on these things 476 00:19:14,260 --> 00:19:11,150 and I don't really care I don't want to 477 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:14,270 be on them but what I do and I don't 478 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:16,790 think a lot of you know this and I very 479 00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:19,130 seldom talk about it is over the years 480 00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:20,720 what I have done is I have pulled 481 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:22,840 together more people for more TV shows 482 00:19:27,970 --> 00:19:26,090 more movies more stuff than you guys can 483 00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:27,980 shake a stick at if you only knew how 484 00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:30,320 many people called me a month I probably 485 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:33,260 get firecracker I'm not gonna go into 486 00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:35,450 all the different companies but I have 487 00:19:38,530 --> 00:19:37,040 all these companies that call me and say 488 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:38,540 hey do you know somebody who does blah 489 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:39,260 blah blah 490 00:19:43,090 --> 00:19:41,090 and I go yeah yeah and then we sit and 491 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:43,100 chat and we've developed some things for 492 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:45,170 them and help them so they can find the 493 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:47,090 right people for what they need by the 494 00:19:54,010 --> 00:19:49,310 time I'm done you know I have just now 495 00:19:55,780 --> 00:19:54,020 put 16 people on TV you know and I've 496 00:19:58,210 --> 00:19:55,790 never been thanked for it never gotten a 497 00:20:00,370 --> 00:19:58,220 penny for never done anything and this 498 00:20:02,530 --> 00:20:00,380 is the kind of stuff that I know that 499 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:02,540 there are at least five to ten other 500 00:20:06,670 --> 00:20:04,610 women out there like myself that do this 501 00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:06,680 and most of the people we end up 502 00:20:10,990 --> 00:20:09,500 or men which is fine because they happen 503 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:11,000 to be the experts in the field this 504 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:12,830 happens to be under conspiracy so they 505 00:20:18,190 --> 00:20:16,130 were JFK people and sadly one of our JFK 506 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:18,200 people has died today and that is Jim 507 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:19,790 Marcus if you didn't know about it he 508 00:20:24,850 --> 00:20:22,490 did pass this morning early this morning 509 00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,860 so we're gonna talk about that a little 510 00:20:28,570 --> 00:20:26,240 bit with our guests here in a few 511 00:20:31,210 --> 00:20:28,580 minutes but I just wanted to say you 512 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,220 know I do everything I can to help up 513 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:33,200 the community I've given my heart my 514 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:37,280 soul my money and you can't and nobody 515 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:39,410 will have me on a stage and I think the 516 00:20:43,540 --> 00:20:41,210 reason they will not let me speak at 517 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:43,550 these conferences is because I am 518 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:45,380 getting down to the nitty-gritty and 519 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:48,050 telling them the truth the truth is this 520 00:20:52,690 --> 00:20:50,300 folks you've got to use discernment and 521 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:52,700 you've got to look at everything from 522 00:20:57,610 --> 00:20:55,130 both sides of the fence you can't just 523 00:20:59,410 --> 00:20:57,620 sit up there and say you know the blue 524 00:21:01,570 --> 00:20:59,420 avians came and got me and this is 525 00:21:03,970 --> 00:21:01,580 what's gonna happen and I went 20 years 526 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:03,980 and back you know you need to look at it 527 00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,710 from all angles and that's why I think 528 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:08,000 they're afraid because they know that 529 00:21:12,820 --> 00:21:11,150 I'm gonna tell them that probably a good 530 00:21:15,130 --> 00:21:12,830 portion of these people are mind control 531 00:21:17,290 --> 00:21:15,140 that probably good portion are contact 532 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:17,300 these and if they are contact these 533 00:21:21,250 --> 00:21:19,010 who's controlling them during the 534 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:21,260 contact that's very important to know 535 00:21:25,930 --> 00:21:23,330 and then the people that are having 536 00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:25,940 recall why are they having the recall 537 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:28,040 you know I want to know why they can 538 00:21:32,169 --> 00:21:29,809 remember stuff and other people can't 539 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:32,179 and if what they're remembering is 540 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:35,809 actually the truth okay so you know 541 00:21:39,310 --> 00:21:37,610 there's a lot of you know people just 542 00:21:41,049 --> 00:21:39,320 say I tell them what I want to talk 543 00:21:43,090 --> 00:21:41,059 about and they just go oh that was 544 00:21:44,890 --> 00:21:43,100 interesting beau we don't know who you 545 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:44,900 are so I'm sorry you can't speak at our 546 00:21:50,650 --> 00:21:48,170 conference I actually had friends ask 547 00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:50,660 people to let me speak at their 548 00:21:55,570 --> 00:21:52,910 conferences over the last year and 549 00:21:58,060 --> 00:21:55,580 through and those people said I'm sorry 550 00:22:00,280 --> 00:21:58,070 but we don't know who you are and we 551 00:22:02,830 --> 00:22:00,290 don't particularly like the topic so 552 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:02,840 you're not gonna speak for us and I get 553 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:04,490 it I totally get it I don't have a book 554 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:06,650 out about it I totally get it but you 555 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:10,610 know it's just it's disappointing that 556 00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,650 no one wants to hear the truth or the 557 00:22:16,810 --> 00:22:14,480 truth as I see it and I think I'm a 558 00:22:18,370 --> 00:22:16,820 pretty good realist about it so you 559 00:22:20,110 --> 00:22:18,380 think they'd be happy to have somebody 560 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:20,120 out there saying a 561 00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:21,770 look it isn't all just you know aliens 562 00:22:26,110 --> 00:22:24,140 and flying saucers it could be more than 563 00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,120 that folks you might want to look at it 564 00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:29,360 you know so okay I'm done I'm done 565 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:31,220 ranting I'm feeling much better now you 566 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:33,410 guys always make me feel so good but I 567 00:22:41,290 --> 00:22:36,770 get them my little rants so my guest 568 00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,300 tonight is Brian a Byron cell itself did 569 00:22:48,820 --> 00:22:43,760 I say that right Byron you got it this 570 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:48,830 time I did yeah oh good only took me 571 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:51,050 five to five different radio shows to 572 00:22:56,890 --> 00:22:54,260 get it right what can I say so dear um 573 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:56,900 what we wanted to talk about tonight we 574 00:23:00,580 --> 00:22:58,250 got a whole bunch of things to talk 575 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:00,590 about with you ranch a book aliens UFOs 576 00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:02,510 what they've got to do with you rancher 577 00:23:07,210 --> 00:23:04,940 the whole bit but what I'd like to talk 578 00:23:10,030 --> 00:23:07,220 about first before we get started is 579 00:23:11,170 --> 00:23:10,040 about Jim Mars now I just found out when 580 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:11,180 we were getting started for the show 581 00:23:15,670 --> 00:23:12,890 he's a good friend of yours or was a 582 00:23:18,750 --> 00:23:15,680 good friend of yours yes that's Jim Jim 583 00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:18,760 and I were really really close because I 584 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:21,680 published his 9/11 book I don't know if 585 00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:24,940 you know that Lori oh I didn't know that 586 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:28,670 because it was a very kind of anomalous 587 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:30,620 situation because he was about to put 588 00:23:36,550 --> 00:23:33,830 this book out in 2003 with her per 589 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:36,560 Collins and you know and he was an 590 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:38,930 author to the big agents and so he got a 591 00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:42,110 huge advance over six-figure advance and 592 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:43,700 it being Jim Marrs he went in there and 593 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:46,670 he absolutely cleaned up that story he's 594 00:23:51,910 --> 00:23:49,490 really the first journalist all-around 595 00:23:54,460 --> 00:23:51,920 journalist to get in to the story that 596 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:54,470 we now know that it was an inside job 597 00:24:00,130 --> 00:23:58,250 you know he's an intrepid interviewer as 598 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:00,140 we know from his JFK books and other 599 00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:03,170 books and he just he just nailed this 600 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:05,720 thing now when he completed it it was 601 00:24:11,770 --> 00:24:08,510 accepted by the chief editor there and 602 00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:11,780 went upstairs and they quashed it oh 603 00:24:19,770 --> 00:24:16,940 you're kidding yes indeed and so you 604 00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:19,780 know he they said keep the advance is 605 00:24:25,170 --> 00:24:23,360 $125,000 and just just we don't want to 606 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:25,180 do it we can't do it it's too much and 607 00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:28,490 they sent him away and he circulated and 608 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:31,340 he found me and at that time I was you 609 00:24:33,490 --> 00:24:32,510 know I had a pretty good staff and 610 00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:33,500 pretty good 611 00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:35,480 Publishing operation and I picked it up 612 00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:38,630 I was you know really well away unknown 613 00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:40,190 compared to you know anything on the 614 00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:44,030 East Coast but we had we had the right 615 00:24:50,590 --> 00:24:47,420 people in place and I got some funding 616 00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,600 from people a lot of people that knew of 617 00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:52,880 Jim came forward with enough funding to 618 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:55,460 really do it big so Jim and I went on 619 00:25:00,930 --> 00:24:57,890 this adventure with this book kind of 620 00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:00,940 early on there weren't very many other 621 00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:04,780 spokespeople at his level at that time 622 00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:08,720 2003-2004 why I'd circulated with him I 623 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:11,720 traveled with him to conferences and I 624 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:13,850 even put on a conference and made him 625 00:25:19,450 --> 00:25:16,130 the keynote it was one in our 626 00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:19,460 neighborhood here Laurie Anna mm three 627 00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:21,590 or four I don't like if she didn't know 628 00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:25,160 about it but do you remember 629 00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:28,280 yeah what's called 9/11 convergence oh I 630 00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,590 did know about it I couldn't make it I'd 631 00:25:35,410 --> 00:25:32,960 already had plans it was on a Saturday 632 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:35,420 afternoon wasn't it I was two days it 633 00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,190 was a Saturday and a Sunday no maybe 634 00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:38,960 wasn't all day but it was it was it was 635 00:25:45,550 --> 00:25:41,630 many speakers but Jim was too yeah well 636 00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:45,560 did you have the 9/11 truthers and and 637 00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:47,630 did she have like change you know we are 638 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:49,640 change and some of the other guys there 639 00:25:55,390 --> 00:25:51,650 I I've tried to remember this as so long 640 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:55,400 ago before the we are change people 641 00:26:00,490 --> 00:25:57,650 actually it was so was it okay yeah I 642 00:26:02,650 --> 00:26:00,500 did hear about it but I was just so um I 643 00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:02,660 had so many things going on back then I 644 00:26:09,730 --> 00:26:04,520 actually was working full-time then so 645 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:09,740 it was crazy yeah but you know Jim also 646 00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:11,570 you know but he spoke also at the 647 00:26:16,540 --> 00:26:14,720 historic conference that Carroll brulee 648 00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:16,550 put on I don't know if you were that one 649 00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:19,340 oh no I was not now where was that once 650 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:22,460 that was in San Francisco around the 651 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:25,250 same time just prior no I did not know 652 00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:26,930 anything about that one now I heard it 653 00:26:30,670 --> 00:26:28,340 the other one but I did not know about 654 00:26:32,770 --> 00:26:30,680 that one so very interesting the most 655 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:32,780 important conference of that era that 656 00:26:38,170 --> 00:26:35,510 were really brought everybody together 657 00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:38,180 for the first time face to face seeing 658 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:40,070 everybody and a lot of people showed up 659 00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:42,050 and Jim gave a major speech there 660 00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:45,960 because Jim you know was the only really 661 00:26:49,970 --> 00:26:48,179 you know highly trained journalists and 662 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:49,980 in those days there one or two other 663 00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:52,890 ones but Jim got the story in 664 00:26:58,519 --> 00:26:56,100 generalistic detail and that was a big 665 00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,529 deal there and around that time is when 666 00:27:02,419 --> 00:27:01,200 we had printed his book so it got out to 667 00:27:05,659 --> 00:27:02,429 that audience and then away at the 668 00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:05,669 conference here and then I got very 669 00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,520 active in the movement even though I was 670 00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:11,760 just a publisher but I was traveling 671 00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:16,919 with him and I emceed the 2006 major 672 00:27:24,019 --> 00:27:19,500 9/11 conference in Chicago where he 673 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:24,029 spoke also oh well he has he and I have 674 00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:27,740 just tracked each other he spoke at the 675 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:32,399 2009 conference on deep politics and 676 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:35,789 Santa Cruz were you at that um no I was 677 00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:38,250 not but I did hear about it wasn't our 678 00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,350 guy who's passed on now and the Santa 679 00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:43,140 Cruz radio network got a kid the doctor 680 00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:45,929 Monteith wasn't he part of that one 681 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:48,179 you know he was not he should have been 682 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:50,220 but he was not my chief I thought he put 683 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:50,850 that one on 684 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:54,090 maybe I see there's so many I my dear 685 00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:57,330 that you know I probably go 250 a year 686 00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:01,140 now I need not 50 but at least 30 I can 687 00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:03,510 think of and I'm telling ya I can't 688 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,220 remember him all anymore it's gotten 689 00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:07,320 insane do remember all the conspiracy 690 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:08,820 cons I mean I think they were all 691 00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:11,100 speaking there at some point too right 692 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:13,350 so Jim was speaking at those and and you 693 00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:15,510 know he was he was everywhere and they 694 00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:18,840 you know he didn't turn down you know 695 00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:20,309 and then he would just show up because 696 00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,679 he he was in it was a public servant I 697 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:25,440 know that's what I'd love that that 698 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:27,809 loved about him he you know he used to 699 00:28:31,789 --> 00:28:30,090 say I'd call him and say you know I 700 00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,799 don't have any money Jim I can barely 701 00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:33,600 afford to get you out here I can barely 702 00:28:37,399 --> 00:28:35,190 afford to do this or that or when you 703 00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:37,409 come down to JFK this year in Dallas or 704 00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:40,169 you know whatever and he'd be like well 705 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:42,299 you put up my assistant for me in a 706 00:28:49,159 --> 00:28:44,580 separate room and I go Yap you go okay 707 00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:49,169 done deal he was so cool about that I 708 00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:51,960 just loved it so all the authors I've 709 00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:53,640 worked with and I've worked with over 40 710 00:28:59,610 --> 00:28:57,059 of them he was my favorite he was always 711 00:29:02,250 --> 00:28:59,620 jolly always 712 00:29:03,870 --> 00:29:02,260 always telling great stories he would 713 00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:03,880 get you know he'd get in the room and 714 00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:05,950 everyone just gather around and Jim 715 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:08,260 would just wow us with what he knew and 716 00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:11,080 with his stories and and and but more 717 00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:12,750 than anything else he was very 718 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:16,390 personally involved in and loving you 719 00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:20,080 and and caring about you at any turn 720 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:26,470 whatever was going on and I well we have 721 00:29:30,029 --> 00:29:28,510 to take a break so when we get back what 722 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:30,039 we're gonna do is I'm going to tell you 723 00:29:34,529 --> 00:29:32,289 some stories about Jim about he and I 724 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:34,539 together over the last few years and 725 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:36,370 then if you've got any fun stories about 726 00:29:39,659 --> 00:29:38,200 him we'll talk about it then 727 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:39,669 so everybody stick around we do a little 728 00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:41,860 bit more on Jim Marrs here tonight and I 729 00:29:46,649 --> 00:29:44,020 think irn is coming up with some kind of 730 00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:46,659 special around it so stick around for 731 00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:47,830 that too maybe we'll have an 732 00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:49,480 announcement by the end of the show but 733 00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:51,309 when it's gonna be I don't know but 734 00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:53,140 we'll try to get that information to you 735 00:29:57,570 --> 00:29:55,630 and stick around we got some great stuff 736 00:29:59,549 --> 00:29:57,580 coming about the rancher book and that 737 00:30:04,039 --> 00:29:59,559 what Byron's been up to in his life so 738 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:06,779 welcome back everyone to the California 739 00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,370 MUFON radio show I am your host loriann 740 00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:11,679 Fenton and I am really happy to have 741 00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:14,500 Byron Bella's Bella's sose Bela took 742 00:30:25,409 --> 00:30:23,549 with me here tonight and he is um are 743 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:25,419 you see you're not the author of 744 00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,669 anything that I know of are you oh no 745 00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,399 you are my book your book is right here 746 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:32,799 in front of me on my desk what an idiot 747 00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:35,500 I am so tell everybody about your books 748 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:38,190 I know there's there's two right is it - 749 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:42,490 well I I'm co-authored six books and but 750 00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:45,130 this is teased it's the first one that I 751 00:30:51,779 --> 00:30:47,860 authored on my own I tend to work with 752 00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,789 authors who need a and editor and they 753 00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:52,960 often say well look you know why don't 754 00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,750 you go co-author with me and because I'm 755 00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,039 a fast writer and I'm you know 756 00:31:01,769 --> 00:30:59,200 highly-trained editor so I have done a 757 00:31:04,289 --> 00:31:01,779 lot of that but did this one you know I 758 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:04,299 just got to a point where I okay keep 759 00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:06,070 your eyes closed okay I want to show you 760 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:09,580 my first ever painting alright okay 761 00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:13,510 open your eyes oh that's a lot of colors 762 00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:16,900 huh and shade so be honest what do you 763 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:20,440 think well I like how if you switch to 764 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:21,850 Geico you could save hundreds of dollars 765 00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:22,690 on car insurance 766 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:25,960 oh yeah that's that's true yeah here why 767 00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:28,210 don't I hold your paintbrush while you 768 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:29,680 call them Geico 769 00:31:33,570 --> 00:31:31,300 because saving 15% or more on car 770 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:33,580 insurance is always a great answer I 771 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:36,850 wanted to make a statement about this 772 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:39,850 controversial topic that nobody else is 773 00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:42,910 coming forward to do and kind of like 774 00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:46,030 you Lori and I I'm a gadfly and I try to 775 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:47,710 bring in new topics that nobody else 776 00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,250 will so I would finally just step out 777 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:54,880 and do this book and the timing was not 778 00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,260 as bad as I thought because people are 779 00:32:00,450 --> 00:31:58,480 receiving it very well because there's 780 00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:00,460 you know because of the global crisis 781 00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:02,560 and the you know the crisis in the 782 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:04,840 United States people are interested in 783 00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:08,470 things that are brand-new unheard of you 784 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:11,980 know that that have Universal import and 785 00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,530 I think the rancher book does and I 786 00:32:18,030 --> 00:32:16,240 think it is kind of designed for for the 787 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:18,040 time that we're in so yeah I just put 788 00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:20,230 this book out a couple months ago you're 789 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:23,740 evolving soul the cosmic spirituality 790 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:27,010 the rancher revelation there we go I 791 00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:29,050 just found it under my made Brussels 792 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:31,870 fascism in America and I have history by 793 00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:36,610 William Matson law nothing like having a 794 00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:39,400 diverse desk here I gotta tell you so 795 00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:42,160 anyhow first of all let's just tell 796 00:32:46,620 --> 00:32:44,500 people how they can get to your website 797 00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:46,630 your book or whatever it is that you're 798 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:49,780 doing you know or for the show and then 799 00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:53,290 let's get back to Jim Marrs and then 800 00:32:58,740 --> 00:32:55,720 we'll get back to your your books okay 801 00:33:00,150 --> 00:32:58,750 yeah so just just anywhere books are 802 00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:00,160 sold you know that I've got distribution 803 00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:02,740 in all bookstores and Amazon so just 804 00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:06,040 look for your evolving soul my website 805 00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:10,240 is evolving - Souls dot-org to get 806 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:12,190 background on the book and press clips 807 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:14,770 and and some of the video that I've done 808 00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:19,630 of it's on evolving - Souls org and yeah 809 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,460 so you notice came back from book tour 810 00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:22,720 in the 811 00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:26,350 for Boulder area and they had a major 812 00:33:32,850 --> 00:33:29,470 international conference of the urantia 813 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:32,860 book their people you know don't know 814 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:34,390 about such things because it's so 815 00:33:39,270 --> 00:33:36,250 esoteric but it's actually a big 816 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:39,280 following and Europe in Latin America so 817 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:40,510 there were a lot of people from a lot of 818 00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:43,450 countries at this major conference in 819 00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:46,720 Denver where I also just spoke wow 820 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:49,390 that's really cool you know you told me 821 00:33:54,810 --> 00:33:51,220 about that conference and I totally 822 00:33:56,670 --> 00:33:54,820 forgot about it is I'm so bad you know 823 00:33:59,340 --> 00:33:56,680 why I forgot about it I was having such 824 00:34:01,200 --> 00:33:59,350 a you know an experience in Las Vegas 825 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:01,210 with this MUFON symposium it kind of 826 00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:03,310 washed everything out of my out of my 827 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:04,000 brain 828 00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:08,170 i canti got just overtaken by the moment 829 00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:11,560 I think so how did the conference go oh 830 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:15,550 you know they they have a very good 831 00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:18,520 leadership I think in that the you know 832 00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:21,250 if you spend much your life with the you 833 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:24,790 Rancho revelation it it it changes you 834 00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:28,240 and turns you into a but like Jamar's 835 00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:29,740 you've become a public servants and 836 00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:31,750 that's what it teaches his service 837 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:35,110 service to others and i just found a lot 838 00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,270 of very loving people there and i always 839 00:34:42,090 --> 00:34:39,760 go to their events and i usually put on 840 00:34:45,390 --> 00:34:42,100 a workshop and this time was unusual 841 00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:45,400 because people from somewhat outside 842 00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:48,190 that community were invited into the 843 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:50,470 community to speak about their work and 844 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:53,560 in particular Barbara Marx Hubbard gave 845 00:35:00,450 --> 00:34:58,090 a key go over many years I've been 846 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:00,460 talking here really 20 years about the 847 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:02,350 rancha book and when she was a neighbor 848 00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:05,410 of mine here in Marin County and then 849 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:08,140 since then and I worked with her on one 850 00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:10,090 of her books got to be pretty close but 851 00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:12,760 it was never the case that she was all 852 00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:15,670 that interested in the Rancho revelation 853 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:18,790 but lately she's changed you know it's 854 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:20,770 part of the trend I think that you know 855 00:35:25,470 --> 00:35:23,770 she wanted to look at my manuscript for 856 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:25,480 this book and helped me and coached me 857 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:28,510 with it a little bit and then she read 858 00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,790 it thoroughly and wanted to be at that 859 00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:32,800 conference so she gave a keynote that 860 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:36,220 was remarkable because she she said to 861 00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:36,550 the 862 00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:38,860 that her work which is you know very 863 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:41,830 broad and visionary she said her work is 864 00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:45,730 really a subset of what the vision of 865 00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:49,120 the rancher Brooke is oh yeah that makes 866 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:50,800 sense I get it 867 00:35:58,020 --> 00:35:55,570 that's very cool and that was me no such 868 00:36:00,660 --> 00:35:58,030 say such thing in a big public space is 869 00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:00,670 is a pretty big breakthrough yeah it is 870 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:02,740 you know cause like you know I told you 871 00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:05,170 I never did tackle the ranch a book 872 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:08,350 because it's just so volumous and I and 873 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:10,120 I just don't have the time anymore to 874 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:11,830 sit and read like I used to I mean 875 00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:14,440 before the internet I was reading you 876 00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:16,780 know six books a week you know five to 877 00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:20,740 six books at least and my problem now is 878 00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:24,460 I'm working way too much and I'm on the 879 00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:26,140 internet all the time working there as 880 00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:28,300 well so you know when do you have fun 881 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:30,760 you know fine time to sit and read it's 882 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:33,490 pretty difficult and so when your book 883 00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:35,620 came out I'm like oh yeah but it's right 884 00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:37,480 here on my desk I will get to reading it 885 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:40,390 one of these days because I'm actually 886 00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:42,010 starting to take a little more time to 887 00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:44,140 read again which is wonderful that's a 888 00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:47,140 present for myself this year is that I'm 889 00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,230 actually reading again so yeah and yours 890 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:52,480 is one of the three I'm reading so there 891 00:36:58,290 --> 00:36:54,250 you go is this at the bottom right now 892 00:37:00,330 --> 00:36:58,300 so I'll eventually get to it but yeah 893 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:00,340 it's it's very interesting to meet the 894 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:02,230 ranch is the whole ranch a story so 895 00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:04,330 let's take a few more minutes though 896 00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:06,340 before we get into it and the book 897 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:08,830 itself to talk a little bit more about 898 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:11,890 Jim Marrs and do you have any stories 899 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:13,930 about anything funny he ever did with 900 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:16,120 you or interesting or just that quirky 901 00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,970 or just something cool about Jim that 902 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:20,560 you know about that maybe other people 903 00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:21,450 don't know 904 00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:25,480 it was wide-ranging in his interest and 905 00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:29,920 he is I I think he's the the first 906 00:37:36,090 --> 00:37:33,760 person ever to you know on the topic of 907 00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:36,100 the rancher book for example and in the 908 00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:40,600 last maybe 10 pages of ancient of 909 00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:44,680 nitrogen aliens of the alien agenda his 910 00:37:49,890 --> 00:37:47,470 great his great book the alien Jim one 911 00:37:54,810 --> 00:37:49,900 of the best books on that in the field 912 00:37:58,170 --> 00:37:54,820 yes section is I was shocked to see that 913 00:38:04,250 --> 00:37:58,180 he did a comparison of the rancher book 914 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:04,260 of prehistory story with the Sitchin 915 00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,470 prehistory story oh yeah yeah I forgot 916 00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:11,200 about that you're right he did and he 917 00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:13,990 was way ahead of his time on that nobody 918 00:38:19,470 --> 00:38:18,040 has done it since then other than you 919 00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:19,480 know people like me who are advocates of 920 00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:22,720 the ranch book anyway Jim you know this 921 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:26,380 was how I got to understand Jim Jim was 922 00:38:32,670 --> 00:38:29,530 fearless and he's a great researcher and 923 00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:32,680 he's a great writer and he's great speak 924 00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:35,230 he was a great speaker and so in this 925 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,040 case because of his vast research he saw 926 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:41,440 this issue which is a very big issue in 927 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:43,810 my humble opinion in our community that 928 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:46,930 the Sitchin story has become the 929 00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,290 predominant story of our prehistory 930 00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:52,000 whereas the rancha story has much more 931 00:38:58,410 --> 00:38:55,300 coherence and very strong evidence and 932 00:39:03,180 --> 00:38:58,420 it is hardly is almost totally unknown 933 00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,190 but Jim did see that and he did say look 934 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:04,960 this is a big mystery which of these 935 00:39:10,860 --> 00:39:07,210 guys is right they're both strong 936 00:39:13,260 --> 00:39:10,870 sources and we need to you know work 937 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:13,270 this out and and he did go on to work it 938 00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:15,370 out but left that to people other people 939 00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:17,620 like myself so that that's a story but I 940 00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:19,600 mean I don't know it's hard to it was 941 00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:22,300 every time I saw Jim at these 942 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:24,550 conferences you know there were you know 943 00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,670 conferences on conspiracies or UFOs or 944 00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:29,680 things of that nature they tend to be 945 00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:32,500 sometimes grim or there's controversy or 946 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:34,540 there's you know people getting into ego 947 00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,210 conflicts but every time I would see Jim 948 00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:40,240 he would be laughing he would be telling 949 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:43,240 stories to people and I just any 950 00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:45,550 possible time I would just be with him 951 00:39:55,170 --> 00:39:52,000 because he would just keep me happy your 952 00:39:59,940 --> 00:39:55,180 stories and we think I mean one time you 953 00:40:03,640 --> 00:39:59,950 told me that his family was not 954 00:40:05,229 --> 00:40:03,650 particularly supportive of his 955 00:40:08,650 --> 00:40:05,239 I didn't realize that I don't know if 956 00:40:13,209 --> 00:40:08,660 you did Lorien yeah I had we've had our 957 00:40:17,019 --> 00:40:13,219 moments about that yeah his wife and his 958 00:40:19,930 --> 00:40:17,029 kid you know kids then they never really 959 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:19,940 understood him in this regard which is a 960 00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:21,410 little shocking to me because you know 961 00:40:26,289 --> 00:40:23,390 he was moving all over the country 962 00:40:28,479 --> 00:40:26,299 speaking and making a big impact but his 963 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:28,489 so he didn't have that much support at 964 00:40:34,569 --> 00:40:32,089 home that phrase yeah so I was sad to 965 00:40:36,789 --> 00:40:34,579 know that about Jim because he was 966 00:40:39,249 --> 00:40:36,799 giving us so much but not getting 967 00:40:42,759 --> 00:40:39,259 support sufficient support at home I 968 00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:42,769 believe yeah yeah well I think you know 969 00:40:47,469 --> 00:40:45,710 I early on I think he was having a lot 970 00:40:50,349 --> 00:40:47,479 more issues with it 971 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:50,359 but I know in the last few years his 972 00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:52,729 wife actually was coming to one of the 973 00:40:57,609 --> 00:40:55,880 JFK conferences with him to be with us 974 00:40:59,529 --> 00:40:57,619 she couldn't make it that year because 975 00:41:01,509 --> 00:40:59,539 something happened or whatever but she 976 00:41:04,779 --> 00:41:01,519 was planning on driving with him over 977 00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:04,789 there so there were you know I think his 978 00:41:08,529 --> 00:41:06,680 as he got older and she got older I 979 00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:08,539 think she's starting to kind of get it 980 00:41:13,479 --> 00:41:11,089 you know which was very cool you know I 981 00:41:15,219 --> 00:41:13,489 just loved her for for kind of finally 982 00:41:17,979 --> 00:41:15,229 you know getting on his side on the 983 00:41:20,589 --> 00:41:17,989 bandwagon as they say so I think things 984 00:41:22,329 --> 00:41:20,599 were mellowing in that area yeah the 985 00:41:24,370 --> 00:41:22,339 kids will never understand just like my 986 00:41:26,109 --> 00:41:24,380 nieces and nephews and my sisters and 987 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:26,119 you know nobody will ever understand 988 00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:28,249 what I do they have no idea what I do I 989 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:31,640 don't even know what I do right at least 990 00:41:36,249 --> 00:41:34,249 Jim was a journalist and an author and a 991 00:41:38,529 --> 00:41:36,259 speaker at least he had some titles I'm 992 00:41:40,359 --> 00:41:38,539 a nobody out there and I you know and I 993 00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:40,369 do all kinds of stuff every day as you 994 00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:42,680 know and you're like that too you're 995 00:41:45,849 --> 00:41:44,390 you're kind of like me you're always in 996 00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:45,859 the background putting people together 997 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:48,380 and doing things and you know talking 998 00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:50,450 about what we can do to change things or 999 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:52,910 how it can be different or what kind of 1000 00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:54,650 conference can we put on that will 1001 00:41:58,479 --> 00:41:56,329 enlighten people I mean we're never 1002 00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:58,489 sitting here on our thumbs twiddling 1003 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:00,380 them I can tell you that or on our hands 1004 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:05,089 doing nothing that's for sure yes or 1005 00:42:09,249 --> 00:42:07,910 similar that way we're producers we're 1006 00:42:11,769 --> 00:42:09,259 not out front 1007 00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:11,779 typically and I am a little bit 1008 00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,579 uncomfortable being out front with my 1009 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:15,200 own book to tell you the truth it's not 1010 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:16,890 my usual role 1011 00:42:23,330 --> 00:42:20,130 but but getting back to Jim Jim was 1012 00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:23,340 designed for this work you know he 1013 00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:24,870 started out I think you know that he was 1014 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:30,270 in military intelligence yep yeah so he 1015 00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:32,970 learned swords be a detective you might 1016 00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:36,300 say and was you know a straight guy he 1017 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:38,790 you know he went into the military he 1018 00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,890 served the country I guess do you think 1019 00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:42,900 about Jim has said he was a patriot I 1020 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:45,960 mean all the time all he was always you 1021 00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:47,850 know tuned into what was best for this 1022 00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:50,190 country and when I first you know met 1023 00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:52,380 him and published that book I was taken 1024 00:43:05,240 --> 00:42:55,590 aback because I didn't realize that the 1025 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:05,250 there was an alt right that's how I 1026 00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:07,290 learned about it because you know I was 1027 00:43:13,220 --> 00:43:09,480 gonna I was gonna promote his book to 1028 00:43:15,590 --> 00:43:13,230 the left in the United States and what 1029 00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,600 turned out is you know Jim you know let 1030 00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,460 me try that but he said look the 1031 00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,500 following is actually the all right and 1032 00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:21,900 that those are those are my people and I 1033 00:43:25,580 --> 00:43:23,640 said but Jim you know this is Northern 1034 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:25,590 California I mean I'm not going to be 1035 00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:27,330 able to you know put this to that 1036 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:29,160 audience as well I'll show you you know 1037 00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:31,050 who they are and who the whole radio 1038 00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:33,120 hosts are and and you just go ahead and 1039 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:35,340 pitch them and so for the first time I 1040 00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:43,460 know these people were out there I mean 1041 00:43:47,330 --> 00:43:45,780 I heard see this and that but that there 1042 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:47,340 they were and I realized there's this 1043 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:50,130 huge underground of people who come 1044 00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:52,530 above ground and since then that are 1045 00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:55,740 tuned into ufology turned into 1046 00:44:02,330 --> 00:43:57,510 conspiracy turn you know all the stuff 1047 00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:02,340 that that the left thinks you know the 1048 00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:04,830 left thinks it has used to think you 1049 00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:06,990 that hit had the handle on what was 1050 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:09,120 wrong with this country but you know Jim 1051 00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,730 taught up me and many of us that there's 1052 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:12,960 this other point of view and they're 1053 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:18,810 just as angry as the left I don't know 1054 00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:20,910 where I stand in any of this but Jim 1055 00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,060 always made me laugh about it cuz I'm 1056 00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:26,160 gonna try to get this picture up there 1057 00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:28,140 to everybody I don't know if anybody's 1058 00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:30,599 seen it on Facebook not too 1059 00:44:37,870 --> 00:44:34,680 you offer anything but I the last 1060 00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,880 conference I was at with Jim and I 1061 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:40,079 poured away start okay I'm gonna start 1062 00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:41,729 at the beginning with Jim just quickly 1063 00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:42,569 and I'm going to go through this very 1064 00:44:49,759 --> 00:44:47,880 quickly folks I met Jim in 2010 or 11 I 1065 00:44:51,499 --> 00:44:49,769 can't remember where i met him that's 1066 00:44:53,059 --> 00:44:51,509 the worst part about both I'm racking my 1067 00:44:57,019 --> 00:44:53,069 brains all day trying to figure it out I 1068 00:44:59,539 --> 00:44:57,029 can't remember I know that in 12 I was 1069 00:45:03,979 --> 00:44:59,549 with him at a JFK thing somewhere I know 1070 00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:03,989 that in 13 and 14 I was - I know that by 1071 00:45:10,729 --> 00:45:06,839 14 he and I were crossing over together 1072 00:45:13,099 --> 00:45:10,739 into ufology and the JFK scene and was 1073 00:45:17,660 --> 00:45:13,109 so funny it was at conscious life Expo 1074 00:45:19,819 --> 00:45:17,670 2015 2014 I walked up to him and he 1075 00:45:22,489 --> 00:45:19,829 grabs me gives me a big hug is this how 1076 00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:22,499 you do it I said you know yo coot you 1077 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:24,420 know the weirdest part about you and me 1078 00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:27,089 and he goes what's that I said you and I 1079 00:45:34,339 --> 00:45:30,900 are like alien 9/11 1080 00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,349 JFK truthers and we go to all three 1081 00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:37,200 rings of the circus and nobody else is 1082 00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:39,390 there but you and I and you started 1083 00:45:44,509 --> 00:45:41,609 laughing he thought that was hysterical 1084 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:44,519 because I just ran into him it oh I just 1085 00:45:47,479 --> 00:45:45,930 ran into him somewhere else and I and 1086 00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:47,489 then I ran into a couple months later 1087 00:45:51,739 --> 00:45:49,619 contact in the desert and then it was 1088 00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:51,749 like everywhere we went there was just 1089 00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,880 the two of us and it was like everybody 1090 00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:55,920 else fell away until we got back to the 1091 00:46:02,539 --> 00:45:59,339 next alien finger or JFK thing or 9/11 1092 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:02,549 truth thing or you know whatever so yeah 1093 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:04,170 he had a great time with that he thought 1094 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:07,410 it was hysterical another story about 1095 00:46:13,329 --> 00:46:10,890 Jim yeah Kenny believes he come to mind 1096 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:13,339 you know just some time ago I published 1097 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:17,130 the first of the series of books by 1098 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:21,450 Phillip crop about his alien abduction 1099 00:46:26,839 --> 00:46:24,930 contact right so because of you know 1100 00:46:30,499 --> 00:46:26,849 getting around the UFO congress's with 1101 00:46:39,319 --> 00:46:30,509 that that was 2002 three four five and 1102 00:46:41,959 --> 00:46:39,329 we I got a note from Gordon Novell way 1103 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:41,969 way back and it was like 2004 or 1104 00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:43,529 something and I never heard of Gordon 1105 00:46:47,059 --> 00:46:44,940 novella Gordon's 1106 00:46:51,049 --> 00:46:47,069 in this email I need to talk to your 1107 00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:51,059 author because I want him to ask the ETS 1108 00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,359 that that he had been abducted some 1109 00:47:00,049 --> 00:46:56,640 questions because we want to reverse 1110 00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:00,059 engineer a UFO craft and we have some 1111 00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,670 technical questions because he had the 1112 00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,440 impression that fill crop was able to 1113 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:09,839 you know sort of address address them 1114 00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:12,690 telepathically well you know that's 1115 00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:14,609 interesting you brought that up but I'm 1116 00:47:19,789 --> 00:47:17,099 not trying to decide you know sideswipe 1117 00:47:21,799 --> 00:47:19,799 our conversation here but that's one of 1118 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:21,809 the premises of my my new book 1119 00:47:26,269 --> 00:47:23,970 extraordinary contact is the fact that 1120 00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,279 it's time for us to start really trying 1121 00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,440 to communicate with them and bringing 1122 00:47:33,259 --> 00:47:30,960 back the information on a cognitive you 1123 00:47:34,789 --> 00:47:33,269 know level so anyhow but go ahead I 1124 00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:34,799 think that's interesting that Gordon 1125 00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,079 Novell was actually asking you this way 1126 00:47:44,329 --> 00:47:39,839 back then you know 15 years ago whatever 1127 00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:44,339 you know he was and I said look you know 1128 00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:47,400 Phil crop can't do that it will I mean 1129 00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,569 he doesn't know when they're going to 1130 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:50,160 come to him and he doesn't have 1131 00:47:54,109 --> 00:47:52,410 telepathic contact so sorry about that 1132 00:47:58,759 --> 00:47:54,119 but who are you you know when he goes 1133 00:48:01,579 --> 00:47:58,769 well I I part of this group that's 1134 00:48:03,019 --> 00:48:01,589 trying to reverse engineer a UFO and I'm 1135 00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:03,029 like what do you mean by that you know I 1136 00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:04,380 did that back then didn't realize what 1137 00:48:09,019 --> 00:48:06,900 that was all about at all so he said 1138 00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:09,029 look you know I know you're a publisher 1139 00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:11,099 and you have an interest in you know it 1140 00:48:16,999 --> 00:48:13,049 turns out that I also have a book about 1141 00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:17,009 this manuscript I said okay send me the 1142 00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:18,359 man so sensitive this thing it was like 1143 00:48:26,539 --> 00:48:23,430 900 pages Jesus okay pretty good he was 1144 00:48:29,470 --> 00:48:26,549 prolific and a lot of great detail in 1145 00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:29,480 this book about about the abduction 1146 00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:32,910 situated more on the the the phenomenon 1147 00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:35,819 of the shooting down of craft and the 1148 00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,140 fact that we had already verse 1149 00:48:41,539 --> 00:48:39,359 engineered it an area theory or 1150 00:48:44,749 --> 00:48:41,549 somewhere and that he had evidence of 1151 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:44,759 that and that not only that but he he he 1152 00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:48,890 got a group of people to smuggle out 1153 00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:52,400 well this is how I first met McCandlish 1154 00:48:58,220 --> 00:48:54,599 exactly I'm just gonna say now this 1155 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:00,670 but it led to Jim Marrs because oh 1156 00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:02,970 that's interesting I didn't know Jim was 1157 00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:04,760 part of that group 1158 00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:08,760 because Gordon Oval you know he worship 1159 00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,609 Jim is an American hero and he found out 1160 00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:13,500 that I knew Jim and he said look you 1161 00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:15,660 know we need to get Jim in on this and I 1162 00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:17,790 said well okay what do you suggest he 1163 00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:19,020 said well the you know the book that 1164 00:49:25,099 --> 00:49:21,270 I've written I'd like to have him as a 1165 00:49:27,859 --> 00:49:25,109 co-author on the book with me because 1166 00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:27,869 I'm not a writer but I have a lot of it 1167 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:30,030 so I said that's a cool idea let's put 1168 00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:33,090 that together so we we we got to Jim and 1169 00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:36,510 it turns out that we he's we flew to Las 1170 00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:41,100 Vegas to meet Novell and a few of his 1171 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,940 colleagues and he he wanted to meet Jim 1172 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:47,160 and get Jim on board to do this book 1173 00:49:53,330 --> 00:49:50,010 with with him which I would publish 1174 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:53,340 which was unwieldy it was very long but 1175 00:49:58,340 --> 00:49:55,890 had great information that he had spent 1176 00:50:01,420 --> 00:49:58,350 really like his adult life doing this 1177 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:01,430 background Lisa that's true I mean 1178 00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:03,930 people know who Gordon Oval is he was 1179 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:06,060 quite a larger-than-life character back 1180 00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:09,090 in the early 2000s of the UFO community 1181 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:11,550 he really wanted to build a spaceship 1182 00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:14,730 and it did you know I I never met him 1183 00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:17,070 I've only seen a couple of pictures of 1184 00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:19,980 him way back and I really don't know 1185 00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:22,560 much about the man but he was seriously 1186 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:24,660 larger-than-life right I mean this guy 1187 00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,170 lived as live like I don't know I mean I 1188 00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:30,240 from what I heard he was just you know 1189 00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:32,430 when you met him you knew you'd met 1190 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,260 Gordon oval right 1191 00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:36,240 nothing like Novell and and and the 1192 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:38,750 story I want to tell us the story of how 1193 00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:41,730 know Velma Jim bars in the same room at 1194 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:44,430 the same time there's just never seen 1195 00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:45,690 anything like it too 1196 00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:50,670 very larger I American heroes who were 1197 00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,560 great rock on tours you know great 1198 00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:55,200 storytellers because you know Norton 1199 00:51:01,760 --> 00:50:58,290 Oval was notorious for exaggerating 1200 00:51:04,099 --> 00:51:01,770 telling exaggerated stories yeah that 1201 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:04,109 were the full of long truths at the same 1202 00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:06,690 time but he dramatically exaggerated 1203 00:51:12,050 --> 00:51:10,260 these things for for humor humorous 1204 00:51:16,070 --> 00:51:12,060 effect and 1205 00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:16,080 so to entertain you and you there was a 1206 00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:18,630 lot of truth in it but he was 1207 00:51:24,050 --> 00:51:21,720 overstating it but he he got you pulled 1208 00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:24,060 everybody in so you know one point you 1209 00:51:27,830 --> 00:51:26,520 know so he said look you you and Jim you 1210 00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:27,840 guys are gonna make this thing work I 1211 00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:30,540 want you to get this get this manuscript 1212 00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:32,190 and start writing it and I'm gonna get 1213 00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:34,380 you the funds for that we wouldn't 1214 00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:36,150 needed a lot of funds to get Jim Morris 1215 00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:38,670 to work on this huge unwieldy manuscript 1216 00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,460 any night to get the money but the story 1217 00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:43,200 the way that the last thing that 1218 00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:45,540 probably happened with this is he wasn't 1219 00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:47,880 coming up with the money but we became 1220 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:50,520 very close friends with him and we went 1221 00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:55,650 to see him at Laughlin I think Jim 1222 00:52:01,490 --> 00:51:58,290 Morris was speaking and I went and we we 1223 00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,500 met off-site to talk about how we're 1224 00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:02,640 gonna do this because we don't have any 1225 00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,700 money and the two of them just went on 1226 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:07,920 and told the funniest stories and at one 1227 00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,770 point they both say well you know what 1228 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:12,000 I'm gonna do about the First Amendment 1229 00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:14,970 we we can't carry you know we should all 1230 00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:18,510 have guns right and then but Jim Jim Jim 1231 00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:22,200 goes Jim goes yes but I always carry a 1232 00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:28,800 switchblade and I too carry a 1233 00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:32,400 switchblade and they both pulled out 1234 00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:36,150 their switch blades and they both had 1235 00:52:46,310 --> 00:52:45,000 big ones I mean they were like I'm just 1236 00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:46,320 sitting there just like little fly in 1237 00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:49,110 the wall and there was showing off who 1238 00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,640 had the biggest Witchblade laughed about 1239 00:53:02,690 --> 00:52:58,800 that for weeks it was just a great scene 1240 00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:02,700 when I will never forget and with that 1241 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:04,830 that's what they were like and they were 1242 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:10,530 equivalent but Novell was more further 1243 00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:13,530 out than anyone I've ever met because he 1244 00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,230 at the end of this process he did 1245 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:18,960 convene engineers scientists software 1246 00:53:25,580 --> 00:53:22,050 people Hardware people in a big meeting 1247 00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:25,590 in los Los Angeles and he had 1248 00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:27,660 Mars and I come because we were to be 1249 00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:36,000 the scribes and the journalists any 1250 00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:38,550 money they never caught the money they 1251 00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:40,680 never got the money I know they never 1252 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:43,710 did McCandless never came around much 1253 00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:46,530 but he was in that circle and and they 1254 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:48,990 they just I think that you know and he 1255 00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:51,570 you know we we believe that that that 1256 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:54,300 Novell was under surveillance yeah I 1257 00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:56,490 think he was too I also think he was a 1258 00:54:02,050 --> 00:53:58,740 targeted individual before targeted 1259 00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:02,060 individuals were known you know it was a 1260 00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:07,380 yeah he had all sorts of energetic tax 1261 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:10,200 on him all the time so much so that you 1262 00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:12,210 couldn't even believe it he had people 1263 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:15,600 open his door with guns you know I mean 1264 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:20,970 he was going to do project come he'll 1265 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:23,490 you know and then he finally he died 1266 00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:28,050 under suspicious circumstances yeah but 1267 00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:31,470 his son you know insisted that that you 1268 00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,340 know they didn't think it was foul play 1269 00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:37,200 but you know Jim and I really mourned 1270 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:39,540 over that because you know we were ready 1271 00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:42,960 to do the book and he just never got got 1272 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:44,790 it together it's you know you never 1273 00:54:48,830 --> 00:54:46,890 really you know thought that the 1274 00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:48,840 manuscript was quite writing home wanted 1275 00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:50,190 to improve it and then he want to get 1276 00:54:55,340 --> 00:54:51,900 the money and he want to pay Jim a huge 1277 00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:55,350 event advance and so that's that's the 1278 00:55:00,260 --> 00:54:57,000 but anyway the story of the two of the 1279 00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:00,270 switchblades is unforgettable that is 1280 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:03,060 cute I gotta say so we we have to take 1281 00:55:07,550 --> 00:55:05,130 our next break here pretty quick so I 1282 00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:07,560 just want to say there is a couple more 1283 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:09,750 episodes with Jim that I'm gonna say for 1284 00:55:14,660 --> 00:55:11,490 another day another time but when it 1285 00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:14,670 involves lots of JB and and clog-dancing 1286 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:20,640 with Jim and the other one involves him 1287 00:55:26,420 --> 00:55:23,610 in its up on Facebook everywhere 1288 00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:26,430 it's where Jim tricked me into kissing 1289 00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,000 him on the lips but all all you guys see 1290 00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:32,760 is me kissing him on the cheek so it's 1291 00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:34,440 got a funny story around that it was a 1292 00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:35,020 jail 1293 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:37,300 kay event last year and I walked up to 1294 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:38,530 him and I said I don't want a picture 1295 00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:39,970 with you I've never had a picture with 1296 00:55:43,770 --> 00:55:42,070 you all the years so he did it and he 1297 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:43,780 goes well now kiss me right here on the 1298 00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:45,970 cheek and I go okay so I started to 1299 00:55:50,130 --> 00:55:47,800 pucker up and go to kiss them and he 1300 00:55:52,860 --> 00:55:50,140 whips his head around and smacks a big 1301 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:52,870 one on me and I send you dirty dog I 1302 00:55:56,490 --> 00:55:54,370 said I went to your wife gets a hold of 1303 00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:56,500 that picture and he started laughing and 1304 00:56:00,990 --> 00:55:58,450 then I didn't kiss him on the Jeep and 1305 00:56:03,570 --> 00:56:01,000 that's what you see up on Facebook is 1306 00:56:06,030 --> 00:56:03,580 median him in a big laugh because I said 1307 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:06,040 I was gonna tell to his wife because if 1308 00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:07,330 he was just laughs he thought that was 1309 00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:08,020 so funny 1310 00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,270 so anyhow there you go enough Jim 1311 00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:12,160 stories for the night folks were to come 1312 00:56:18,780 --> 00:56:15,910 back with Brock Byron bellicose and 1313 00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:18,790 we're gonna talk about his book your 1314 00:56:24,830 --> 00:56:21,670 evolving soul when we come right back so 1315 00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:27,540 welcome back everyone to the California 1316 00:56:31,830 --> 00:56:29,620 MUFON radio show of your host Laurie 1317 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:31,840 inventing we're here tonight with Byron 1318 00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:34,930 bellicose and we're talking about his 1319 00:56:39,630 --> 00:56:37,630 book your evolving soul but we've also 1320 00:56:42,810 --> 00:56:39,640 been talking quite a bit about Jim Marrs 1321 00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:42,820 he passed today and you know good all I 1322 00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:44,710 can say is that I've had some really 1323 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:47,110 good experiences with Jim and I know 1324 00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:50,610 he's up there he's at the the the Texas 1325 00:56:58,290 --> 00:56:55,630 bar in the sky he's having a great time 1326 00:57:00,750 --> 00:56:58,300 because he truly was a Texan there's 1327 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:00,760 there was nothing about Jim Marrs that 1328 00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:03,850 didn't wreak Texas you know you know 1329 00:57:08,580 --> 00:57:06,310 what I mean by right it's just like yeah 1330 00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:08,590 everywhere he went he had his drawl he 1331 00:57:15,540 --> 00:57:11,020 had his hat he had his boots you know 1332 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:15,550 and his belts and and it's just great 1333 00:57:21,090 --> 00:57:18,850 stuff so anyhow he'll be sorely he's 1334 00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:21,100 gonna be really missed I mean really as 1335 00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:23,590 more and more we're gonna miss him yeah 1336 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:25,900 yeah because you know and this goes back 1337 00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:28,450 to the problem and you know it's even 1338 00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:30,550 part of your book in a weird way I'm 1339 00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:33,430 getting to it you know this last 1340 00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:36,070 conference I went to I was so angry and 1341 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:38,110 I felt so betrayed I think that the 1342 00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:41,050 bottom line was I felt betrayed I felt 1343 00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:43,630 like the community is starting to not 1344 00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:46,270 really remember anything in that they're 1345 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:48,600 letting the media 1346 00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,410 their existence and that's really scary 1347 00:57:58,730 --> 00:57:55,440 to me and I know that the ranch ebook 1348 00:58:00,260 --> 00:57:58,740 has messages for people to live by and 1349 00:58:02,330 --> 00:58:00,270 I'm starting to think that maybe we 1350 00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:02,340 should just get back to square one like 1351 00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:05,220 we did back in the 50s with a damn ski 1352 00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,880 and all that gang and try to live by one 1353 00:58:13,220 --> 00:58:11,280 you know golden rule and that is you 1354 00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:13,230 know that there are space brothers and 1355 00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:15,240 we need to stop all this insanity 1356 00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:18,960 in between you know I'm just I'm really 1357 00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,800 I'm discouraged you know well I think 1358 00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,200 you know widening the the perspective 1359 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:26,880 was something like the rancher book is 1360 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:29,850 what you need in a time when of all so 1361 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:32,490 much conflict in so much confusion you 1362 00:58:37,340 --> 00:58:33,810 know that you know it's so refreshing 1363 00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:37,350 that there is off planet not just 1364 00:58:44,570 --> 00:58:41,220 extraterrestrials but but but but higher 1365 00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:44,580 beings Angelics exactly Angelics I'm 1366 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:46,740 just gonna say you know I my contact is 1367 00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:49,050 with angels I've never not once in my 1368 00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:53,070 entire existence of that said that my my 1369 00:58:57,830 --> 00:58:55,380 aliens aren't angelic or higher 1370 00:59:00,200 --> 00:58:57,840 dimensional means and I and those are 1371 00:59:02,570 --> 00:59:00,210 the the beans that brought us the ranch 1372 00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:02,580 am I correct that is correct there's a 1373 00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:04,950 group of about thirty of them that are 1374 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:07,380 the authors of these papers and there's 1375 00:59:10,850 --> 00:59:08,970 you know it's we call them papers 1376 00:59:14,810 --> 00:59:10,860 they're chapters but they're big 1377 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:14,820 chapters and there's 196 chapters and 1378 00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:17,490 they actually have names associated with 1379 00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:20,280 them which are celestial beings for most 1380 00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:22,710 of them but some of them do not have an 1381 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:26,760 a an actual name but a category of being 1382 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:29,130 is a type of being like a type of our 1383 00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:32,250 Archangel that will be the author of a 1384 00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:34,440 paper about Archangels and they won't 1385 00:59:40,460 --> 00:59:35,790 have a name but often they have names 1386 00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:40,470 such as maca venta Melchizedek and we've 1387 00:59:44,060 --> 00:59:42,630 heard about Melchizedek in the order of 1388 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:44,070 Melchizedek but they actually give you 1389 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:46,410 the first name of this beat of this 1390 00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:49,170 person named Melchizedek in the Bible so 1391 00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:51,510 you actually know who these celestial 1392 00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:55,380 authors names are in many cases and so 1393 01:00:00,620 --> 00:59:57,330 that's the refreshing thing about this 1394 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:00,630 is that they care enough not just to 1395 01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,330 inspire us and you know kind 1396 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:04,160 fly around like angels do but to 1397 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:06,170 actually communicate with us in a huge 1398 01:00:11,590 --> 01:00:09,890 textbook it's 2,000 pages long to try to 1399 01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:11,600 help us straighten out our affairs on 1400 01:00:16,570 --> 01:00:14,390 planet earth well yeah this is 1401 01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:16,580 interesting to me because every time we 1402 01:00:20,290 --> 01:00:18,470 talk about the ranch of book then I have 1403 01:00:23,860 --> 01:00:20,300 to go back to the book I'm writing about 1404 01:00:25,540 --> 01:00:23,870 extraordinary contact and wonder if I 1405 01:00:27,820 --> 01:00:25,550 should be writing a whole chapter 1406 01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:27,830 dedicated to the other dimensional beans 1407 01:00:32,890 --> 01:00:30,140 that are actually making contact with us 1408 01:00:36,070 --> 01:00:32,900 here because my whole quip about the 1409 01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:36,080 book is this that it those of us who can 1410 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:38,270 remember our contact and have these 1411 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:41,680 amazing visions and downloads and and 1412 01:00:45,970 --> 01:00:43,970 experiences or have children on other 1413 01:00:47,830 --> 01:00:45,980 planets or you know whatever it is that 1414 01:00:50,830 --> 01:00:47,840 we're doing right now with these 1415 01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:50,840 different types of beings need to start 1416 01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:53,060 getting that communication brought to us 1417 01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:55,670 and it needs to be in a more open 1418 01:01:00,070 --> 01:00:58,640 flowing type of communication now I love 1419 01:01:02,650 --> 01:01:00,080 the ranch a book I think it's great that 1420 01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:02,660 they wrote it all down but what's got to 1421 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:04,790 happen next is there's got to be 1422 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:07,970 sightings like you know medic Oreo or 1423 01:01:14,140 --> 01:01:10,970 you know places like that where people 1424 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:14,150 are getting contact with a being that 1425 01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:17,810 everybody's seen and they're all getting 1426 01:01:21,790 --> 01:01:19,550 some kind of contact at the same time 1427 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:21,800 and that we're able to take that back 1428 01:01:26,590 --> 01:01:24,170 into our life with us you know not 1429 01:01:30,190 --> 01:01:26,600 necessarily the spaceships all landing 1430 01:01:32,290 --> 01:01:30,200 you know because you know this is a 1431 01:01:34,570 --> 01:01:32,300 spaceship that's great but you know we 1432 01:01:36,790 --> 01:01:34,580 can see angels be okay keep your eyes 1433 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:36,800 closed okay I want to show you my first 1434 01:01:46,990 --> 01:01:43,610 ever painting all right okay Oh colors 1435 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:47,000 and shades so be honest what do you 1436 01:01:51,730 --> 01:01:50,570 think well I like how if you switch to 1437 01:01:52,810 --> 01:01:51,740 Geico you could save hundreds of dollars 1438 01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:52,820 on car insurance 1439 01:01:58,330 --> 01:01:56,060 oh yeah that's that's true yeah here why 1440 01:01:58,930 --> 01:01:58,340 don't I hold your paintbrush well you 1441 01:02:01,540 --> 01:01:58,940 call them 1442 01:02:03,790 --> 01:02:01,550 Geico because saving 15% or more on car 1443 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:03,800 insurance is always a great answer you 1444 01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:07,090 can see um you know Christ or you know 1445 01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:10,760 whatever and you know why not have them 1446 01:02:16,090 --> 01:02:13,310 give us a little more lift instead of 1447 01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:16,100 just being back in the you know I 1448 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:19,960 say the dark ages but what year was 1449 01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:23,330 deciding in Portugal but the the kids 1450 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:26,500 what year was that that was nineteen 1451 01:02:31,060 --> 01:02:28,730 fifteen sixteen seventeen we're on that 1452 01:02:33,070 --> 01:02:31,070 time because it was around World War one 1453 01:02:34,510 --> 01:02:33,080 you know when they say that's right 1454 01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:34,520 that's absolutely right now do we have 1455 01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:37,430 any pictures of that because I've been 1456 01:02:43,090 --> 01:02:41,150 wondering lately if I think I saw some 1457 01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:43,100 pictures of what they thought was you 1458 01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:44,600 know they were seeing the Virgin Mary 1459 01:02:50,050 --> 01:02:46,430 but to me it was just a big glowing orb 1460 01:02:54,550 --> 01:02:50,060 and looked like a typical alien 1461 01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:54,560 spacecraft that we have now yeah exactly 1462 01:02:59,770 --> 01:02:57,110 and you know that there's a pretty good 1463 01:03:02,710 --> 01:02:59,780 book on on that that actually Andy 1464 01:03:05,020 --> 01:03:02,720 basiago was the editor for and I helped 1465 01:03:08,290 --> 01:03:05,030 them edit this book it was translated 1466 01:03:11,290 --> 01:03:08,300 from Portuguese fact that those were 1467 01:03:14,830 --> 01:03:11,300 extra extraterrestrials not angels it 1468 01:03:18,970 --> 01:03:14,840 appeared there yes very well done well 1469 01:03:21,370 --> 01:03:18,980 written an evidenced account of no this 1470 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:21,380 was not angelic it was extraterrestrial 1471 01:03:25,780 --> 01:03:23,570 because here are witnesses that we have 1472 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:25,790 in archives this state that they saw a 1473 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:28,490 ship even though they that that's that 1474 01:03:33,130 --> 01:03:30,730 the Catholics interpreted that as 1475 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:33,140 angelic sighting and it's not really the 1476 01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:34,610 case 1477 01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,790 and so but to your larger point which is 1478 01:03:43,810 --> 01:03:40,000 you know why don't they show themselves 1479 01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:43,820 yeah we've met this now yeah not just 1480 01:03:48,310 --> 01:03:46,040 channeling things as one is one is nice 1481 01:03:51,370 --> 01:03:48,320 but Ryan we and then you know what I 1482 01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:51,380 what I generally feel and what I know 1483 01:03:56,050 --> 01:03:54,110 from the Rancho teaching is they're not 1484 01:03:58,930 --> 01:03:56,060 even permitted to do that unless there's 1485 01:04:02,320 --> 01:03:58,940 a situation an extraordinary situation 1486 01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:02,330 because it would upset the evolution of 1487 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:06,260 the planet tune too much to do a divine 1488 01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:09,410 intervention that is so you know so so 1489 01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:12,110 stark that it was shortcut people's 1490 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:17,620 faith process if you know what I mean oh 1491 01:04:25,420 --> 01:04:20,330 okay so what they're worried about is 1492 01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:25,430 our spirituality in a way and yeah but 1493 01:04:29,290 --> 01:04:26,840 they're here for anyway but it's sort of 1494 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:29,300 like the prime imperative in Star Trek 1495 01:04:33,099 --> 01:04:29,970 is 1496 01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:33,109 you don't want to intervene in another 1497 01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:36,630 planetary culture and and chin and 1498 01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:39,150 change their own trajectory it's not 1499 01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:42,240 fair to them and they haven't 1500 01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,380 necessarily earned it yeah yeah 1501 01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:48,960 so it's unearned but however that said 1502 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,200 there are K times when it is earned in 1503 01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:54,240 other words you the population has done 1504 01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:56,760 everything they possibly can to reform 1505 01:05:00,349 --> 01:04:58,920 their institutions and improve and they 1506 01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:00,359 just get to a point where that just 1507 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:03,200 cannot do it because there's too much 1508 01:05:09,620 --> 01:05:07,890 sort of evil opposition and that's what 1509 01:05:13,339 --> 01:05:09,630 the Ranchi book says is the case with 1510 01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:13,349 Christ coming here that they had to do a 1511 01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:17,820 divine intervention at that time to move 1512 01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:20,640 you know and that was a very massive 1513 01:05:29,210 --> 01:05:23,849 intervention to have an incarnation of a 1514 01:05:32,830 --> 01:05:29,220 deity but those are done very very 1515 01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:32,840 carefully judiciously in such a way that 1516 01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:36,150 it doesn't it will it will disrupt 1517 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:38,430 evolution but it's something that the 1518 01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:41,130 people earned and you look at the Roman 1519 01:05:46,250 --> 01:05:43,740 times you know that the timing of this 1520 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:46,260 was people were desperate they were 1521 01:05:51,260 --> 01:05:48,570 really reaching out and all those 1522 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:51,270 religions were stating this has got to 1523 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:53,490 be a time of Revelation it's that this 1524 01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,810 is the end time you know everybody 1525 01:05:59,240 --> 01:05:56,400 thought this was the end of the end of 1526 01:06:01,790 --> 01:05:59,250 history and then the Messiah shows up 1527 01:06:06,140 --> 01:06:01,800 and actually said yeah it's the end 1528 01:06:08,810 --> 01:06:06,150 that's the end of the age I'm here so 1529 01:06:11,290 --> 01:06:08,820 when they when it's time for the what 1530 01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:11,300 they call the termination of the age 1531 01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:14,400 that you know the or that you know known 1532 01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:17,070 as a dispensation in in biblical terms 1533 01:06:24,260 --> 01:06:19,740 you know the a dispensation is an age of 1534 01:06:26,839 --> 01:06:24,270 history that has come to its flowering 1535 01:06:29,420 --> 01:06:26,849 and fruition and then the the human 1536 01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:29,430 effort can't get any further and they've 1537 01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:31,619 done their best and that's when 1538 01:06:36,430 --> 01:06:34,200 something will come in and and change 1539 01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:36,440 and some kind of revelation will come 1540 01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:38,760 you know and it depends because you know 1541 01:06:43,460 --> 01:06:41,070 there's normally it's not global it's 1542 01:06:44,770 --> 01:06:43,470 it's a revelation to a particular civil 1543 01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:44,780 is 1544 01:06:52,430 --> 01:06:49,020 you know you know India had its own you 1545 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:52,440 know set of revelations and and the so 1546 01:06:57,020 --> 01:06:55,050 did Tibet and so did China you know they 1547 01:06:57,410 --> 01:06:57,030 had loud sue at the right time in their 1548 01:06:59,330 --> 01:06:57,420 history 1549 01:07:02,180 --> 01:06:59,340 you know other other teacher great 1550 01:07:04,490 --> 01:07:02,190 teachers in these cultures that are that 1551 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:04,500 have they they have they're really you 1552 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:08,610 know often supernatural and so you know 1553 01:07:15,290 --> 01:07:10,970 the evolution is punctuated by 1554 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:15,300 revelation if it's well earned very 1555 01:07:21,590 --> 01:07:17,970 interesting I think we're on the verge 1556 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:21,600 of having another big event like that I 1557 01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:25,410 really do because I think that I really 1558 01:07:29,810 --> 01:07:27,180 I hope and pray we have another event 1559 01:07:32,359 --> 01:07:29,820 like that because it will solve a lot of 1560 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:32,369 it doesn't have to be the aliens landing 1561 01:07:38,300 --> 01:07:34,890 in Washington for disclosure but it 1562 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:38,310 needs to be more than 62 people watching 1563 01:07:45,530 --> 01:07:42,930 an f15 chasing a secret space program 1564 01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:45,540 craft obviously for anybody to pay 1565 01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:47,940 attention to it and it needs to be 1566 01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:50,640 something where we can prove to a very 1567 01:07:54,260 --> 01:07:52,740 large amount of people all at the same 1568 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:54,270 time that this is real and that 1569 01:07:58,970 --> 01:07:56,970 something and when I say that it means 1570 01:08:02,390 --> 01:07:58,980 it has to be something big enough that 1571 01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:02,400 the media cannot ignore it that's our 1572 01:08:06,140 --> 01:08:04,619 biggest hurdle here and I keep telling 1573 01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:06,150 people that but they don't understand is 1574 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:09,920 the media will quash change ridicule 1575 01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,050 gosh you know off the skate I mean 1576 01:08:20,539 --> 01:08:15,359 they're gonna change everything we say 1577 01:08:22,579 --> 01:08:20,549 if there's 50 people if you have 7,000 1578 01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:22,589 people if you have 10,000 people if you 1579 01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:24,960 have 50,000 people having an experience 1580 01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:28,380 together it's much harder to do it but 1581 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:30,600 then I hear myself saying that then I go 1582 01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:32,730 oh my God look what happened with 9/11 1583 01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:34,470 they were able to pull that off in a 1584 01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:37,980 whole city of billions of people so you 1585 01:08:44,150 --> 01:08:39,480 know I don't know maybe I'm just 1586 01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:44,160 dreaming of you know human nature is too 1587 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:48,120 weak we are designed by by deity we we 1588 01:08:52,220 --> 01:08:49,650 are we are curtain we have a creator 1589 01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:52,230 that's transcendental creator and it's 1590 01:08:56,999 --> 01:08:54,420 like our parents and we want our parent 1591 01:08:59,069 --> 01:08:57,009 where the children where the sons 1592 01:09:03,029 --> 01:08:59,079 daughters of God as a wrench what we put 1593 01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:03,039 it and we want our parents to love us 1594 01:09:10,379 --> 01:09:06,489 and show love so that we know we're 1595 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:10,389 loved and they they're very they're very 1596 01:09:17,459 --> 01:09:13,690 careful though because again they want 1597 01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:17,469 you to develop the imagination of their 1598 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,279 presence sufficiently that you that that 1599 01:09:25,589 --> 01:09:23,440 you're ready for their real presence and 1600 01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:25,599 the reason for the appeal to imagination 1601 01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:28,719 line that I make is that our faith is 1602 01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:35,970 faith is not us not not like faith in a 1603 01:09:41,819 --> 01:09:38,440 proposition some some Dogma or some 1604 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:41,829 doctrine faith says I I don't have to 1605 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:44,650 have a demonstration he hit me over the 1606 01:09:51,959 --> 01:09:47,170 head like a baseball bat I can imagine 1607 01:09:54,029 --> 01:09:51,969 that I am loved I can imagine that that 1608 01:09:56,879 --> 01:09:54,039 this is a friendly universe I can 1609 01:09:59,700 --> 01:09:56,889 imagine that that these avatars like 1610 01:10:02,580 --> 01:09:59,710 Krishna or Christ or others really did 1611 01:10:05,549 --> 01:10:02,590 come here and teach us about love and 1612 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:05,559 yes if you can develop that Faculty of 1613 01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:09,010 what I call faith imagination then you 1614 01:10:14,250 --> 01:10:10,960 are growing spiritually in the most 1615 01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:14,260 progressive way and in fact it you grow 1616 01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:17,860 more in this absence of the appearance 1617 01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:21,280 of higher beings than in their presence 1618 01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:24,070 and it's a sounds like a paradox well 1619 01:10:27,299 --> 01:10:25,630 that's very interesting yeah it does 1620 01:10:29,370 --> 01:10:27,309 sound like a paradox so you think you'd 1621 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:29,380 have to have one with it to grow the 1622 01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:32,170 other right but I think you've got a 1623 01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:35,860 good point point that you see in all the 1624 01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:38,860 religions really is that is that we yes 1625 01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:41,440 that you know the divine is is loves you 1626 01:10:45,899 --> 01:10:43,780 and is your parent but it wants you to 1627 01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:45,909 grow up on your own because you need to 1628 01:10:49,859 --> 01:10:47,380 stand on your own two feet through your 1629 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:49,869 own efforts and and so it will give you 1630 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:52,210 lots of clues and will give you 1631 01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:54,489 scriptures you know but it will only 1632 01:11:03,379 --> 01:10:57,489 rarely show up you know in the sky so to 1633 01:11:07,049 --> 01:11:03,389 speak yeah the other words have faith 1634 01:11:10,340 --> 01:11:07,059 but moved from faith to knowledge inside 1635 01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:10,350 and within you it's the knowledge gnosis 1636 01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:13,020 is something within that that's the real 1637 01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:14,580 growth and that's what my book my book 1638 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:16,920 is actually about it's about the the 1639 01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:18,810 inner growth that we call the soul or 1640 01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:21,300 that that the soul is a result of inner 1641 01:11:27,650 --> 01:11:24,300 growth and is it's not necessarily 1642 01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:27,660 advanced by you know signs and wonders 1643 01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,310 as a saying as Christians would say yeah 1644 01:11:36,020 --> 01:11:34,560 so they did the you know jesus warned 1645 01:11:39,490 --> 01:11:36,030 about this is that you know this 1646 01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:39,500 generation is looking for a sign and 1647 01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:42,960 because they're their faithless they 1648 01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:46,710 they want to be shown what is really 1649 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:48,150 something that they need to show 1650 01:11:53,450 --> 01:11:50,330 themselves on in their inner life 1651 01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:53,460 through their faith through their faith 1652 01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:55,710 imagination so so not to belabor this 1653 01:12:03,350 --> 01:11:57,510 but I think it's important for our 1654 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:03,360 moment that we we be patient and develop 1655 01:12:11,540 --> 01:12:06,930 the ability to know they're present with 1656 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:11,550 us caring absolutely absolutely and you 1657 01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:13,530 know that's why I tell my friends that 1658 01:12:18,830 --> 01:12:16,860 are Catholic and Baptist and and you 1659 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:18,840 know the my born again Christian friends 1660 01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:21,570 and everybody out there that we are not 1661 01:12:26,090 --> 01:12:23,910 that different than they is they they 1662 01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:26,100 really get on my case about the aliens 1663 01:12:30,860 --> 01:12:28,350 and they say that I'm worshipping demons 1664 01:12:32,990 --> 01:12:30,870 and I'm like no no now hold on a minute 1665 01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:33,000 here where do you think your guys came 1666 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:35,100 from if you believe in Christ 1667 01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:37,890 you know then obviously he had to come 1668 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:39,840 from some higher dimensional space right 1669 01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:43,650 I go my guys are equally as nice and 1670 01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,510 they're you know they've never caused me 1671 01:12:49,940 --> 01:12:47,280 a problem and they've saved my life a 1672 01:12:54,380 --> 01:12:49,950 million times not a million but enough 1673 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:54,390 and so you know bottom line is how do we 1674 01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:56,850 know that my guys aren't a Christ - how 1675 01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:58,260 do we know it's not his brother 1676 01:13:03,170 --> 01:13:01,560 you know it's sent by Christ you might 1677 01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:03,180 say if you're a Christian you would say 1678 01:13:08,930 --> 01:13:05,400 the Angels you know are working under 1679 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:08,940 under Christ's Authority and becoming 1680 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:11,130 being sent to you and Laurie and I know 1681 01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:13,770 you've had all kinds of angelic contact 1682 01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:16,170 and I think that's that is just what you 1683 01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:18,990 you have earned that you know and but 1684 01:13:24,170 --> 01:13:22,320 those who who don't have much faith and 1685 01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:24,180 are not in service to humanity 1686 01:13:30,170 --> 01:13:28,110 like like you like Jim Marrs les is 1687 01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:30,180 going to be given to them but to those 1688 01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,480 that have lots that has been given much 1689 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:36,480 much as expected but the more the more 1690 01:13:42,230 --> 01:13:38,610 you give the more that the celestial 1691 01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,240 world will come to you and show 1692 01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:44,640 themselves but the the population 1693 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:47,460 doesn't necessarily merit that the 1694 01:13:51,140 --> 01:13:50,370 populate the population may or may not 1695 01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,150 be ready 1696 01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:53,520 however the parent is not going to let 1697 01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:57,570 the people perish in the end right right 1698 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:00,480 absolutely yeah and you know what's 1699 01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,250 interesting is we could get back into 1700 01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:04,560 ufology here for a second away from the 1701 01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:07,140 book there's the whole phenomena as you 1702 01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:09,030 know we're you know ten people are 1703 01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:10,380 standing there and two can see a 1704 01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:12,060 spacecraft and the other eight doning 1705 01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:14,820 can't see nothing right so they're 1706 01:14:19,670 --> 01:14:17,250 obviously not ready you know they 1707 01:14:21,860 --> 01:14:19,680 obviously do not have what it takes to 1708 01:14:23,780 --> 01:14:21,870 see it and that may be that their 1709 01:14:25,580 --> 01:14:23,790 frequency is lower and that doesn't 1710 01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:25,590 vibrate their optic nerve at the right 1711 01:14:29,210 --> 01:14:27,480 frequency to see that they're there all 1712 01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,220 the time or they're you know or they're 1713 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:31,440 there for that moment or whatever the 1714 01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:35,370 case may be and maybe those people are 1715 01:14:41,690 --> 01:14:38,310 the ones who have just the ability to 1716 01:14:43,820 --> 01:14:41,700 understand that it's real you know maybe 1717 01:14:46,220 --> 01:14:43,830 that's the key I think that's the key I 1718 01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:46,230 think the higher beings understand and 1719 01:14:51,740 --> 01:14:48,780 and know and often are omniscient we 1720 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:51,750 know who is ready and who is not ready 1721 01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:55,050 and they work under a kind of 1722 01:15:01,220 --> 01:14:58,080 legislation on high which says again 1723 01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:01,230 there's a prime prime directive do not 1724 01:15:07,460 --> 01:15:04,710 intervene without sort of a collective 1725 01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:07,470 decision in the heavens that the the 1726 01:15:12,980 --> 01:15:10,260 people have earned and are ready and I 1727 01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:12,990 think we now can say yep the planet has 1728 01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:15,960 pretty much earned this and I say that 1729 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:17,310 to myself I say you know we're really 1730 01:15:21,140 --> 01:15:19,050 ready for this so why don't they show up 1731 01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:21,150 and then I remember you know for example 1732 01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:24,930 I once had a guru long ago in the 1733 01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:30,420 seventh Tibetan Tibetan Buddhist teacher 1734 01:15:37,340 --> 01:15:33,450 named Troopa Rinpoche a ricochet oh I 1735 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:37,350 liked him yeah a fabulous a charismatic 1736 01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:38,130 teacher 1737 01:15:42,980 --> 01:15:39,780 the reason I bring that up is because 1738 01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:42,990 they would have these huge events right 1739 01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:46,110 where he was supposed to speak at 8 p.m. 1740 01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:48,510 okay so there'd be you know hundreds of 1741 01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:51,300 people that would be there for the talk 1742 01:16:02,300 --> 01:15:59,600 and he would show up really late and I 1743 01:16:04,670 --> 01:16:02,310 first always live it I mean how could 1744 01:16:07,820 --> 01:16:04,680 you know such a great man a famous man 1745 01:16:10,370 --> 01:16:07,830 show up 90 minutes late and then all 1746 01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:10,380 these piates so what happened is while 1747 01:16:15,140 --> 01:16:12,420 we were waiting for him the the 1748 01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:15,150 community got to know one another and 1749 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:18,060 they self organized themselves in those 1750 01:16:25,730 --> 01:16:21,330 90 even two-hour you know we get there 1751 01:16:28,610 --> 01:16:25,740 like 10 o'clock and by the time he got 1752 01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:28,620 there the anticipation the energy the 1753 01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:32,310 faith the love had become that kind of 1754 01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:36,000 ecstatic and and it was he was doing we 1755 01:16:41,690 --> 01:16:37,490 found out he was doing this on purpose 1756 01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:41,700 sure sure smart man and I think that's 1757 01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:44,460 what the Celestials do they they they 1758 01:16:48,530 --> 01:16:46,920 are right like two inches from us and 1759 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:48,540 and they're there but they're not 1760 01:16:53,390 --> 01:16:51,210 showing themselves overtly because 1761 01:16:55,580 --> 01:16:53,400 they're enhancing our faith they're 1762 01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:55,590 giving us little signs here little signs 1763 01:17:01,220 --> 01:16:58,170 there and and we're building up our own 1764 01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:01,230 momentum our own self organization that 1765 01:17:06,980 --> 01:17:04,050 we will do it ourselves with them 1766 01:17:10,850 --> 01:17:06,990 hovering over us over lighting us and 1767 01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:10,860 not short-circuiting our process because 1768 01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:13,050 you know what's once a high being shows 1769 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:16,110 it shows him or herself you know it's 1770 01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:18,090 kind of all over you know it's a new era 1771 01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:20,520 well true because at that point you 1772 01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:22,530 become the enlightened being with them 1773 01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:24,900 as well because you now are in 1774 01:17:29,450 --> 01:17:26,580 communication with them on a telepathic 1775 01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:29,460 or energetic level and you're now 1776 01:17:35,450 --> 01:17:33,540 ascended also and that may be what 1777 01:17:37,370 --> 01:17:35,460 everybody's you know really hoping about 1778 01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,380 you know is that they are they talk 1779 01:17:41,420 --> 01:17:39,120 about this ascension that's must be 1780 01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:41,430 happening and they say that the big 1781 01:17:46,580 --> 01:17:43,260 eclipse is coming up is the big thing 1782 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:46,590 for the next ascension I'm like okay how 1783 01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:56,290 12 now I'm hearing it again yes we are 1784 01:18:00,800 --> 01:17:58,530 well what do you think do you think 1785 01:18:02,510 --> 01:18:00,810 there truly is an ascension process and 1786 01:18:06,230 --> 01:18:02,520 that we are gonna be hitting it on the 1787 01:18:07,940 --> 01:18:06,240 21st of this month and something's all 1788 01:18:09,290 --> 01:18:07,950 gonna shift for us I mean or do you 1789 01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,300 think something's already happened and 1790 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:11,520 we have shifted well we are shifting you 1791 01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:12,810 know day by day and incrementally 1792 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:15,590 shifting and energetically on the planet 1793 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:18,210 one curious thing about that that that 1794 01:18:25,010 --> 01:18:20,970 eclipses is that from the Ranchod people 1795 01:18:27,170 --> 01:18:25,020 is that day is Christmas according to 1796 01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:27,180 the rancher book it's the birth date of 1797 01:18:32,660 --> 01:18:30,120 Christ in the ranch book has historic 1798 01:18:36,340 --> 01:18:32,670 details which is rich with detail and it 1799 01:18:39,710 --> 01:18:36,350 states that he was born on August 21st 1800 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:39,720 okay you know what that's my birthday 1801 01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:40,650 too 1802 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:46,620 no way really really yeah 21st 1957 I'm 1803 01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,530 gonna be 60 years old on the Eclipse and 1804 01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:51,120 the Eclipse is happening at the same 1805 01:18:57,170 --> 01:18:54,120 time I was born there's some cool 60 1806 01:19:00,440 --> 01:18:57,180 years ago yeah it's really a trip that's 1807 01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:00,450 totally auspicious well yeah there's a 1808 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:01,590 lot of your wretched people that are 1809 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:04,050 running around going wild because not 1810 01:19:07,820 --> 01:19:05,850 only is that eclipse on the birthday of 1811 01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:07,830 Christ but the second Eclipse which will 1812 01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:12,750 be was it 2022 or 2024 yes 2020 these 1813 01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:14,940 debates what do I want to say could be 1814 01:19:19,850 --> 01:19:16,860 2024 but I remember it's coming up in 1815 01:19:22,990 --> 01:19:19,860 the 20s early 20s and ten years and that 1816 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:23,000 day is the day of the historic 1817 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:26,970 resurrection of Christ really yeah so 1818 01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:28,650 it's kind of pretty pretty odd but I 1819 01:19:33,020 --> 01:19:31,110 don't think it means anything particular 1820 01:19:35,420 --> 01:19:33,030 but there's a lot of people saying well 1821 01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:35,430 you know maybe this is on dis by design 1822 01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:37,320 that you're giving us a sign that this 1823 01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,440 is the birthday of Christ and maybe we 1824 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:42,960 should look for some kind of 1825 01:19:47,870 --> 01:19:46,530 manifestation that day but you know I 1826 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:47,880 don't go with those kind of prophecies 1827 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:51,050 there because they don't mean that much 1828 01:19:57,260 --> 01:19:54,570 personally to me when it's pegged to a 1829 01:19:59,600 --> 01:19:57,270 date and it's it's really people trying 1830 01:20:02,270 --> 01:19:59,610 to short-circuit this process of 1831 01:20:04,910 --> 01:20:02,280 developing their inner life on their own 1832 01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:04,920 with you know with inspiration you know 1833 01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:05,250 this is 1834 01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:07,560 divine inspiration but not having to 1835 01:20:14,660 --> 01:20:11,760 have signs in the sky you know which 1836 01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:14,670 which which which shorts which really do 1837 01:20:19,820 --> 01:20:16,800 short-circuit that process I'm not sure 1838 01:20:20,420 --> 01:20:19,830 that miracles start like winning the 1839 01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:20,430 lottery 1840 01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:24,480 think you know this is greatest thing 1841 01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:25,890 ever happen but a lot of people when 1842 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:29,280 lotteries don't grow up they don't they 1843 01:20:35,420 --> 01:20:31,770 miss spend their money they don't use 1844 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:35,430 yeah you know that kind of thing if you 1845 01:20:38,330 --> 01:20:36,090 know what I mean 1846 01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:38,340 I know exactly what you mean and I think 1847 01:20:42,020 --> 01:20:39,570 you're absolutely right about that 1848 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:42,030 observation it's like you know if you if 1849 01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:44,370 you end up putting this all out there is 1850 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:46,530 the answer then you never really try to 1851 01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:49,890 get to the truth yourself that's the 1852 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:52,110 real bottom line here and that's what 1853 01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:54,210 that's what the whole kind of omission 1854 01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:57,300 is is that each individual finds this in 1855 01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,800 their inner life through their 1856 01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:00,480 meditation through their prayer or 1857 01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,490 whatever you want to call that that that 1858 01:21:07,820 --> 01:21:04,800 they are feeling the presence of the 1859 01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:07,830 Divine inside themselves because it's 1860 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:11,250 there and that that should in theory at 1861 01:21:16,460 --> 01:21:13,290 least that is sufficient you don't need 1862 01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:16,470 to see it and and you you know because 1863 01:21:23,630 --> 01:21:20,250 it that we are by design able to have a 1864 01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:23,640 cognition of the presence of the Spirit 1865 01:21:27,740 --> 01:21:26,130 already and and that's what the 1866 01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:27,750 scriptures are telling us in the first 1867 01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:29,340 place well absolutely and that's what 1868 01:21:33,740 --> 01:21:31,490 the rancha book is saying also right 1869 01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:33,750 that's really the whole import of the 1870 01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:36,000 text and that's my book is about that 1871 01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:38,460 too it's saying as you have these 1872 01:21:44,510 --> 01:21:41,670 incremental perceptions of the of the 1873 01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,520 presence of the Divine which can show up 1874 01:21:48,710 --> 01:21:46,800 in terms of just a beautiful sunset or 1875 01:21:51,410 --> 01:21:48,720 you know somebody giving you a gift out 1876 01:21:54,140 --> 01:21:51,420 of the blue or just you making a 1877 01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:54,150 discovery in science for example any of 1878 01:22:01,850 --> 01:21:58,080 these these advances in in your life are 1879 01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:01,860 the presence of the divine in the most 1880 01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:05,400 vivid possible way which becomes part of 1881 01:22:09,890 --> 01:22:08,040 you and the way I put it in and this is 1882 01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:09,900 following in Ranchi book is every 1883 01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:13,650 important experience is saved it's like 1884 01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:16,860 hitting a Save button inside it's saved 1885 01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:19,260 in and as your soul 1886 01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:22,290 Wow okay now with that we have to take 1887 01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:25,080 our final break of the night it saved as 1888 01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:27,980 your soul man that is profound okay 1889 01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:30,420 we'll be right back folks and we'll 1890 01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,270 discuss it's being saved as you're saved 1891 01:22:37,729 --> 01:22:35,280 as part of your experiences being saved 1892 01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:37,739 as part of your soul when we get back 1893 01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:40,980 with pyrovile it's those and we'll be 1894 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:43,140 right back so hang in there but we'll be 1895 01:22:49,670 --> 01:22:44,970 right back after these breaks I guess 1896 01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:49,680 that's what I supposed to say welcome 1897 01:22:54,290 --> 01:22:52,020 back everyone to the California MUFON 1898 01:22:56,690 --> 01:22:54,300 radio show I am your host Lori Ann 1899 01:22:59,479 --> 01:22:56,700 Fenton and I hope you guys have a chance 1900 01:23:02,180 --> 01:22:59,489 to get over here to IR and and get on 1901 01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:02,190 the website and get the app I you know 1902 01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:04,650 MJ you're going to think I'm crazy 1903 01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:07,560 but I can't find the app any more on the 1904 01:23:12,860 --> 01:23:10,140 new website and maybe you could tell me 1905 01:23:16,820 --> 01:23:12,870 where it is I keep telling people to get 1906 01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:16,830 it and then I go where is it so there we 1907 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:18,510 go I need to know where that app is 1908 01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:20,010 hiding because I know it's here 1909 01:23:24,020 --> 01:23:21,600 somewhere 1910 01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:24,030 anyhow I need you guys to go to IR and I 1911 01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:26,250 need you to get the app and download it 1912 01:23:33,979 --> 01:23:30,930 onto your Android or iPhone or whatever 1913 01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:33,989 it is you're using your moto or mojo or 1914 01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:36,810 whatever they call that phone and do 1915 01:23:42,979 --> 01:23:38,760 that so let's see what we can I'm still 1916 01:23:45,710 --> 01:23:42,989 looking for it um is it MJ 1917 01:23:48,710 --> 01:23:45,720 well MJ will tell me soon enough I'll 1918 01:23:50,030 --> 01:23:48,720 know maybe it's not there anymore oh my 1919 01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:50,040 god I'd better be there 1920 01:23:58,580 --> 01:23:55,190 oh wait listen I see it MJ more tears 1921 01:24:00,260 --> 01:23:58,590 yeah just tell them to go to their app 1922 01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:00,270 stores and download the app to in the 1923 01:24:05,330 --> 01:24:02,690 Android Google Play Store and the iTunes 1924 01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:05,340 Store app store they can download the 1925 01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:08,250 app right from there too oh cool cool 1926 01:24:12,620 --> 01:24:10,650 and I did see it MJ finally says there's 1927 01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:12,630 more ways to listen at the bottom of the 1928 01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:15,540 page Android guy there's an Apple dude 1929 01:24:22,220 --> 01:24:19,860 there is god there's a win windows media 1930 01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:22,230 player kind of looks like or iTunes 1931 01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:24,600 there's God you guys there's all kinds 1932 01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:27,690 of places now Laurie and LuAnn we're on 1933 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:29,580 I Heart Radio right now too and we're on 1934 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:32,010 tune in radio stitcher radio you can 1935 01:24:37,610 --> 01:24:32,970 call and listen 1936 01:24:40,810 --> 01:24:37,620 of course 401 283 6700 and in online 1937 01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:40,820 again that's so interesting 1938 01:24:51,740 --> 01:24:50,100 he said he's saying hi to us yes I love 1939 01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,750 it well thanks for him thanks for giving 1940 01:24:55,550 --> 01:24:53,520 me that info I'm J cuz I never knew 1941 01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:55,560 where it was after the website changed 1942 01:24:59,780 --> 01:24:57,030 I've just been telling people to get it 1943 01:25:03,980 --> 01:24:59,790 so there you go many many ways to listen 1944 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:03,990 right MJ right okay great and the other 1945 01:25:07,580 --> 01:25:05,730 thing I want to remind you guys is that 1946 01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:07,590 late night in the Midlands always 1947 01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,860 replays my show so does god they're 1948 01:25:16,660 --> 01:25:12,840 going to be doing it over at not spaced 1949 01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:16,670 out radio but another network with them 1950 01:25:21,860 --> 01:25:20,190 gene chip Tatum is also gonna revive my 1951 01:25:24,230 --> 01:25:21,870 shows and start playing them again on 1952 01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:24,240 his network and and you know there's a 1953 01:25:27,710 --> 01:25:25,800 lot of people out there playing it and I 1954 01:25:30,020 --> 01:25:27,720 do really appreciate them all I want to 1955 01:25:32,270 --> 01:25:30,030 thank ire and as usual for being the 1956 01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:32,280 spearhead of letting me get my voice out 1957 01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:34,650 there to the world because you know I'm 1958 01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:36,420 not the voice everybody wants to hear 1959 01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:38,130 but I'm the voice you guys are stuck 1960 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:40,800 with out of Wednesday night so there you 1961 01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:41,370 go 1962 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:44,130 and yeah become a member of the insiders 1963 01:25:48,260 --> 01:25:45,930 club if you'd like and that'll support 1964 01:25:51,170 --> 01:25:48,270 the network and keep me here and keep my 1965 01:25:53,690 --> 01:25:51,180 MJ you know a and Jo and everybody else 1966 01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:53,700 that helps out Bob and keep the network 1967 01:25:59,090 --> 01:25:56,310 alive and you can do that by going to 1968 01:26:01,090 --> 01:25:59,100 let's see where it is maybe empty I have 1969 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:01,100 to help me with that - I'm not sure 1970 01:26:05,780 --> 01:26:04,050 members I go to the members button I 1971 01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:05,790 think there you go you can get a 1972 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:07,890 membership level you can go to the IR in 1973 01:26:13,130 --> 01:26:10,290 insiders club it's only $4.99 a month 1974 01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:13,140 you guys and I really encourage you to 1975 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:16,260 do so because at some point in the near 1976 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:20,610 future I'm gonna be videotaping some of 1977 01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:24,330 my MUFON events and I will give I or and 1978 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:26,910 some exclusive time with these events 1979 01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:29,850 and that will be only seen in the iron 1980 01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:32,760 and insiders Club so I want you guys to 1981 01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:34,260 know that so there are you know 1982 01:26:38,090 --> 01:26:35,610 hopefully I can start getting some 1983 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:38,100 things there for them to have some juicy 1984 01:26:43,010 --> 01:26:40,410 content that you'll never see anywhere 1985 01:26:45,710 --> 01:26:43,020 else so there you go so get down there 1986 01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:45,720 to the membership button on the top of 1987 01:26:48,740 --> 01:26:46,620 the page 1988 01:26:51,140 --> 01:26:48,750 it says members click on that you can 1989 01:26:54,170 --> 01:26:51,150 join the insiders club or you can become 1990 01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:54,180 an iron fan club member for free alright 1991 01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:55,320 so there you go those are my 1992 01:26:59,210 --> 01:26:57,930 advertisements for the night okay we're 1993 01:27:02,450 --> 01:26:59,220 back with the byron 1994 01:27:04,970 --> 01:27:02,460 a bullet sews and i want to say that his 1995 01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:04,980 book you're evolving soul is on my desk 1996 01:27:09,140 --> 01:27:07,050 that means i'm going to read it if the 1997 01:27:12,110 --> 01:27:09,150 cosmic spirituality of the you rancher 1998 01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:12,120 revelation and byron you know there's 1999 01:27:16,610 --> 01:27:13,980 one thing we haven't talked about before 2000 01:27:19,210 --> 01:27:16,620 we get to questions tonight and that is 2001 01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:19,220 really what was the the major 2002 01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:21,450 inspiration that got you to write the 2003 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:23,910 book itself but what was the one thing 2004 01:27:27,890 --> 01:27:26,130 that you said oh my god I've got to do 2005 01:27:29,660 --> 01:27:27,900 this is it because of people like me who 2006 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:29,670 looked at you with that blank stare at 2007 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:31,890 all these conferences and said I can't 2008 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:34,050 read the Ranchod book it's only three 2009 01:27:46,460 --> 01:27:42,620 that is indeed what has happened with 2010 01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:46,470 friends girlfriends family like what 2011 01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:48,030 does it really mean to you why you know 2012 01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:49,560 says it okay look I'm gonna write this 2013 01:27:58,730 --> 01:27:56,850 thing so 20 years ago I started this is 2014 01:28:02,510 --> 01:27:58,740 like forever to get this book they 2015 01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,520 happen did I was a little shy about it I 2016 01:28:06,350 --> 01:28:04,080 didn't think the timing was right either 2017 01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:06,360 and you know I was trying to make a 2018 01:28:10,940 --> 01:28:08,130 living producing other people's books 2019 01:28:13,220 --> 01:28:10,950 that that I knew would be you know 2020 01:28:13,970 --> 01:28:13,230 bigger sellers and for example somebody 2021 01:28:16,970 --> 01:28:13,980 like Jim Marrs 2022 01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:16,980 and I didn't think there was an interest 2023 01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:19,650 in this until the last couple of years 2024 01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:22,710 and so I accelerated and and then I just 2025 01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:24,420 suddenly got this download that said 2026 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:27,110 this is the time get this thing done and 2027 01:28:33,620 --> 01:28:30,810 it really had to do not so much with the 2028 01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:33,630 political crisis on the planet but what 2029 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:37,760 I what I saw is a kind of spiritual 2030 01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:43,890 springtime yeah that of a sort where you 2031 01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:46,260 could see that people wanted to go 2032 01:28:52,130 --> 01:28:49,020 beyond whatever their paradigm was and 2033 01:28:55,550 --> 01:28:52,140 what's next kind of feeling and I think 2034 01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:55,560 that this is a what's next item there's 2035 01:29:00,110 --> 01:28:58,050 other things along that line not just a 2036 01:29:02,090 --> 01:29:00,120 rant revelation that are what's next 2037 01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,100 there's new things coming in every 2038 01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:04,560 category that are revolutionary but I 2039 01:29:11,810 --> 01:29:08,910 think in in spirituality this and and 2040 01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:11,820 things that are talking about the soul 2041 01:29:16,250 --> 01:29:13,500 are what's next 2042 01:29:19,010 --> 01:29:16,260 why because I think the other piece of 2043 01:29:23,060 --> 01:29:19,020 videos what we have with near-death 2044 01:29:25,220 --> 01:29:23,070 experience literature and stories is is 2045 01:29:27,380 --> 01:29:25,230 it's part and parcel of this and that's 2046 01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:27,390 why the opening part of my book I talk 2047 01:29:34,130 --> 01:29:30,000 about near-death experience and the 2048 01:29:36,020 --> 01:29:34,140 terrific movement around that which is 2049 01:29:39,050 --> 01:29:36,030 part of this West what's next well 2050 01:29:44,260 --> 01:29:39,060 what's next is we need to know much more 2051 01:29:51,620 --> 01:29:48,260 variants is telling us in vivid terms 2052 01:29:54,290 --> 01:29:51,630 with credible witnesses that come back 2053 01:29:56,690 --> 01:29:54,300 people like eben Alexander you know who 2054 01:30:00,140 --> 01:29:56,700 are you know a Harvard you know you know 2055 01:30:01,970 --> 01:30:00,150 doctor people like that or changing the 2056 01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:01,980 world because they've gotten real 2057 01:30:06,350 --> 01:30:03,920 experience with higher dimensions and 2058 01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:06,360 this is what the Ranchi book has been 2059 01:30:11,540 --> 01:30:08,850 saying you know for decades and people 2060 01:30:15,770 --> 01:30:11,550 haven't quite been ready but I think now 2061 01:30:17,810 --> 01:30:15,780 and that's why again I agree that now 2062 01:30:19,490 --> 01:30:17,820 it's the time that the Ranchin book I 2063 01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,500 think is going to be able to stand on 2064 01:30:24,740 --> 01:30:22,080 its own two legs you know I mean I think 2065 01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:24,750 it's standing pretty well as of having 2066 01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:26,210 been at their international conference 2067 01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:29,130 where a number of people from other 2068 01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:31,410 religions were invited to come and 2069 01:30:36,620 --> 01:30:34,440 listen in and also get up on panels and 2070 01:30:38,630 --> 01:30:36,630 say you know what what did they feel 2071 01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:38,640 about their introduction and they were 2072 01:30:42,890 --> 01:30:40,710 very very positive they said this is 2073 01:30:45,950 --> 01:30:42,900 complementary to the world's scriptures 2074 01:30:50,630 --> 01:30:45,960 that we now know about but it's it's 2075 01:30:52,610 --> 01:30:50,640 like an update of Scripture the 2076 01:30:54,290 --> 01:30:52,620 scriptures that we have or you know 2077 01:30:56,210 --> 01:30:54,300 pretty ancient I mean they're you know 2078 01:30:57,650 --> 01:30:56,220 four with a few exceptions like 2079 01:30:59,600 --> 01:30:57,660 something like Course in Miracles is 2080 01:31:04,520 --> 01:30:59,610 like a scripture and that's very modern 2081 01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:04,530 almost all of them are pre-modern and we 2082 01:31:12,250 --> 01:31:08,130 you know urgently need a a scripture 2083 01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:12,260 that is commensurate with the scientific 2084 01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:13,840 mentality and the ranch 2085 01:31:20,670 --> 01:31:16,290 has a very very strong scientific 2086 01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:20,680 cosmological Astrophysical teaching that 2087 01:31:24,270 --> 01:31:22,450 you know make you know the Bible is just 2088 01:31:27,390 --> 01:31:24,280 like just like a color and like a 2089 01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:27,400 cartoon book compared to this because 2090 01:31:33,570 --> 01:31:31,330 that's a flat earth cosmology and you 2091 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:33,580 know the Ranchi book is telling you that 2092 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:35,290 there are not just billions but 2093 01:31:43,020 --> 01:31:39,370 trillions of inhabited planets oh yeah 2094 01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:43,030 it has big sections on life on other 2095 01:31:49,980 --> 01:31:46,480 planets details in particular about the 2096 01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:49,990 government of another planet a whole 2097 01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:53,080 chapter on how this other planet governs 2098 01:31:58,860 --> 01:31:54,850 itself just like can you believe it it's 2099 01:32:01,940 --> 01:31:58,870 like a 30 page chapter on that and a big 2100 01:32:05,250 --> 01:32:01,950 section on the types of 2101 01:32:08,370 --> 01:32:05,260 extraterrestrials okay Kevin for the 2102 01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:08,380 grand prize of 1 million dollars what 2103 01:32:16,290 --> 01:32:12,610 color is the White House I know this I 2104 01:32:18,930 --> 01:32:16,300 know this I know this five seconds 2105 01:32:21,570 --> 01:32:18,940 Oh switching to Geico could save you a 2106 01:32:28,820 --> 01:32:21,580 bunch of money on car insurance okay 2107 01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:31,770 Geico because saving 15% or more on car 2108 01:32:35,940 --> 01:32:34,150 insurance is always a great answer that 2109 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:35,950 exists in the universe or tithers 2110 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:39,450 there's a I think about ten types a 2111 01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:44,410 typology that they provide about life on 2112 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:46,030 other planets you know I mean wow I mean 2113 01:32:51,660 --> 01:32:48,330 where do you get that in a scripture 2114 01:32:53,970 --> 01:32:51,670 well exactly see that's that's the part 2115 01:32:56,370 --> 01:32:53,980 about the Bible that never really got me 2116 01:32:57,780 --> 01:32:56,380 going was because it's great with it's 2117 01:33:00,210 --> 01:32:57,790 stories about what people were doing 2118 01:33:02,190 --> 01:33:00,220 here and the giants and the Nephilim and 2119 01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:02,200 this and that but it's always about here 2120 01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:04,810 it's never about heaven quote unquote 2121 01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:08,380 heaven and what's out there so you know 2122 01:33:12,630 --> 01:33:10,960 this is the time I think you ranch a 2123 01:33:14,340 --> 01:33:12,640 book is you know we're ready for it 2124 01:33:16,740 --> 01:33:14,350 ready for the answers that's going to 2125 01:33:19,410 --> 01:33:16,750 give us I just think it's an amazing 2126 01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:19,420 book I just I'm so glad you put out your 2127 01:33:24,450 --> 01:33:21,730 book though because it really it does 2128 01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:24,460 wrap things up for me so I don't have to 2129 01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:26,490 sit there and necessary 2130 01:33:31,730 --> 01:33:28,290 read the whole you ranch book unless I 2131 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:31,740 want to write well a lot of people come 2132 01:33:36,410 --> 01:33:33,930 to these you Rancho study groups and 2133 01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:36,420 they you can tell they're really into it 2134 01:33:41,150 --> 01:33:38,250 they're fervent about it but they've got 2135 01:33:43,670 --> 01:33:41,160 jobs that get kids they've got rent to 2136 01:33:45,650 --> 01:33:43,680 pay and they don't come back with a they 2137 01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:45,660 often like email me saying I really want 2138 01:33:50,060 --> 01:33:47,370 to come I really want to but I just 2139 01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:50,070 can't make the time because I have so 2140 01:33:55,870 --> 01:33:52,800 many issues economic issues and you know 2141 01:33:58,700 --> 01:33:55,880 family issue and I totally get it and 2142 01:34:01,880 --> 01:33:58,710 that's another reason why I did this 2143 01:34:03,740 --> 01:34:01,890 book and why I'm speaking out you know 2144 01:34:06,500 --> 01:34:03,750 it kind of late in my life hear about 2145 01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,510 this because I know people want to know 2146 01:34:10,580 --> 01:34:08,880 but they can't find the time to read 2147 01:34:13,790 --> 01:34:10,590 this huge tome and somehow I don't know 2148 01:34:16,430 --> 01:34:13,800 why I did I didn't have kids I didn't 2149 01:34:19,310 --> 01:34:16,440 have a family really I've been I've been 2150 01:34:22,250 --> 01:34:19,320 married a few times but I never had a 2151 01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:22,260 family kids you're right on the same 2152 01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:24,330 path I am I've never had children and 2153 01:34:28,610 --> 01:34:26,340 I've been married a few times and I just 2154 01:34:31,460 --> 01:34:28,620 always felt that my service was to 2155 01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:31,470 others instead of having kids and you 2156 01:34:36,020 --> 01:34:34,110 know I just I just knew you know and I 2157 01:34:40,010 --> 01:34:36,030 don't know about you that that's how you 2158 01:34:41,690 --> 01:34:40,020 felt - but I just seems that that's it 2159 01:34:43,850 --> 01:34:41,700 seems that a lot of people in this 2160 01:34:46,820 --> 01:34:43,860 community that are really doing the 2161 01:34:49,820 --> 01:34:46,830 yeoman's work I'd say never had a family 2162 01:34:51,530 --> 01:34:49,830 because they for some reason the angels 2163 01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:51,540 or the other dimensional beings always 2164 01:34:56,750 --> 01:34:53,250 knew that we we didn't have time for 2165 01:34:58,400 --> 01:34:56,760 that you know I'm saying so it's a 2166 01:35:00,800 --> 01:34:58,410 biological function to have a family 2167 01:35:03,710 --> 01:35:00,810 it's it's kind of natural but this this 2168 01:35:06,260 --> 01:35:03,720 is stuff that's that's cultural it's you 2169 01:35:08,300 --> 01:35:06,270 know this exactly we're designed to not 2170 01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:08,310 just be biological we're designed to be 2171 01:35:12,740 --> 01:35:10,710 you know artists or you know people 2172 01:35:15,410 --> 01:35:12,750 doing literature or doing culture or 2173 01:35:17,660 --> 01:35:15,420 doing you know ufology and you got to 2174 01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:17,670 really have you got to carve out a lot 2175 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:19,710 of time to follow these complicated 2176 01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:22,050 difficult like your story about the 2177 01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:24,510 MUFON conference I mean you know how 2178 01:35:28,340 --> 01:35:26,520 could you have a family while you're 2179 01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:28,350 trying to track with MUFON well you know 2180 01:35:38,060 --> 01:35:35,130 which is such a mess that's all I gotta 2181 01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:38,070 say about that I'm telling you we'll 2182 01:35:46,910 --> 01:35:40,530 talk and Corey good and all these 2183 01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:46,920 you know math players together yeah I do 2184 01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:49,770 the same yeah there's one part to this 2185 01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:51,810 that I did get to say is that you know 2186 01:35:57,620 --> 01:35:54,840 my job is must be the agitator for all 2187 01:35:59,360 --> 01:35:57,630 of these groups because it seems to me 2188 01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,370 that they all run screaming the other 2189 01:36:03,650 --> 01:36:01,440 direction when they see me coming and I 2190 01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:03,660 don't know what it is but my angels did 2191 01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:06,780 tell me my path was not going to be the 2192 01:36:12,110 --> 01:36:09,510 easy path on this it was going to be to 2193 01:36:14,870 --> 01:36:12,120 open the eyes of people that thought 2194 01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:14,880 they were on the righteous path and to 2195 01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:16,770 realize that maybe they were doing 2196 01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:18,110 something that was a little more 2197 01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:20,880 self-serving and that they needed to 2198 01:36:26,300 --> 01:36:23,850 understand that that it wasn't 2199 01:36:29,180 --> 01:36:26,310 necessarily that way and I get to be the 2200 01:36:31,250 --> 01:36:29,190 antagonist and I'm not saying that's a 2201 01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:31,260 great position to begin because I'm not 2202 01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:32,880 sure many people are going to put up 2203 01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:35,130 with me much longer but you know the 2204 01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:37,890 reality is somebody's got to do it and I 2205 01:36:42,710 --> 01:36:41,130 guess it was me so what is you know I've 2206 01:36:45,170 --> 01:36:42,720 always wanted to ask you this what does 2207 01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:45,180 the rancher book say about people that 2208 01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:47,010 are that are like that that are kind of 2209 01:36:54,410 --> 01:36:50,480 like the the Mythbusters or the you know 2210 01:36:56,780 --> 01:36:54,420 of the you ranch or world do they have 2211 01:36:59,060 --> 01:36:56,790 people like that in there do they angels 2212 01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,070 talk about that yeah they really do I 2213 01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:00,960 mean these are the leaders of humankind 2214 01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:03,090 these are the people in evaders that 2215 01:37:10,130 --> 01:37:06,450 that create the great religions or the 2216 01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:10,140 or that invent new governmental you know 2217 01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:12,960 structures that yeah definitely talks 2218 01:37:18,590 --> 01:37:15,840 about the heroes of history all down 2219 01:37:19,970 --> 01:37:18,600 through the ages that you know many of 2220 01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:19,980 them are you know spiritually inspired 2221 01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:23,040 or they're angelically guided to do that 2222 01:37:28,940 --> 01:37:25,770 you know and yeah you know Christ is one 2223 01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:28,950 of course but it talks about other prot 2224 01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:31,110 you know the Hebrew prophets for example 2225 01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:32,940 you know the evil prophets were doing 2226 01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:34,370 the kind of the same work they were 2227 01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:37,380 gadflies in their community who got 2228 01:37:42,350 --> 01:37:40,290 killed you know for it and uh yeah 2229 01:37:44,780 --> 01:37:42,360 that's a function that is absolutely 2230 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:44,790 necessary and you know it's important 2231 01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:46,410 when you're coming you're talking about 2232 01:37:50,540 --> 01:37:48,960 the ranch book to realize that it's even 2233 01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:50,550 more important to have such people 2234 01:37:54,109 --> 01:37:53,910 because the planet took a wrong turn in 2235 01:37:57,729 --> 01:37:54,119 it 2236 01:38:01,820 --> 01:37:57,739 prehistory and and and the dark side of 2237 01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:01,830 the planet you know be prevailed for for 2238 01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:04,110 a very long time and still does in the 2239 01:38:10,910 --> 01:38:07,260 form of the Cabal right now and that's 2240 01:38:13,490 --> 01:38:10,920 why especially you know we have you know 2241 01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:13,500 gadflies journalists prophets who get in 2242 01:38:16,339 --> 01:38:14,250 big trouble 2243 01:38:19,839 --> 01:38:16,349 you know they get killed they get 2244 01:38:22,820 --> 01:38:19,849 assassinated you know they they have 2245 01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:22,830 there's there's more for them there's 2246 01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:26,400 more of the corruption here than on a 2247 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:28,770 typical planet we're told in the rancher 2248 01:38:34,669 --> 01:38:32,610 book really oh five by far oh very much 2249 01:38:38,260 --> 01:38:34,679 so that's one of them oh my god well 2250 01:38:40,910 --> 01:38:38,270 what's their take on the Bilderbergers 2251 01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:40,920 do they have any take on any of these 2252 01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:43,290 evil guys that are running this place I 2253 01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:45,510 mean I'm just wondering yeah it's one of 2254 01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:47,250 the reasons why the ranch book is so is 2255 01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:50,489 so long it's they're telling you I think 2256 01:38:54,500 --> 01:38:52,110 we broached a little bit last time 2257 01:38:57,890 --> 01:38:54,510 Lorient about the the lucifer rebellion 2258 01:38:59,330 --> 01:38:57,900 oh yeah yeah that was interesting but 2259 01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:59,340 this is a whole new audience and they 2260 01:39:03,530 --> 01:39:01,920 don't know much about it and and you 2261 01:39:05,390 --> 01:39:03,540 know sadly we only have eight minutes 2262 01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:05,400 left in the show but if you could touch 2263 01:39:09,020 --> 01:39:06,810 upon it a little bit I think that'd be 2264 01:39:12,109 --> 01:39:09,030 wonderful well it's important for a 2265 01:39:14,990 --> 01:39:12,119 folks interested in ufology to know that 2266 01:39:18,020 --> 01:39:15,000 the quarantine of our planet that is 2267 01:39:21,729 --> 01:39:18,030 sometimes talked about is because the 2268 01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:21,739 the planet was a victimized by its own 2269 01:39:29,330 --> 01:39:26,880 angelic host in that the angels of 2270 01:39:32,990 --> 01:39:29,340 planet Earth that is you ranch on the 2271 01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:33,000 name of our planet Urantia went to the 2272 01:39:39,169 --> 01:39:37,199 dark side in in prehistoric times there 2273 01:39:41,089 --> 01:39:39,179 was a rebellion in the heavens that's 2274 01:39:43,399 --> 01:39:41,099 spoken about in book of Revelation in 2275 01:39:45,919 --> 01:39:43,409 the Bible and very kind of cartoonish 2276 01:39:49,550 --> 01:39:45,929 terms but it but the ranch of books 2277 01:39:50,930 --> 01:39:49,560 gives you a straight story about what 2278 01:39:54,620 --> 01:39:50,940 happened and why 2279 01:39:56,899 --> 01:39:54,630 things are so complicated here and they 2280 01:39:59,390 --> 01:39:56,909 say this is not typical of other planets 2281 01:40:03,229 --> 01:39:59,400 other planets don't have a holocaust 2282 01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:03,239 they don't have a world war two they 2283 01:40:07,530 --> 01:40:06,449 don't have atrocities like this in their 2284 01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:07,540 modern era they 2285 01:40:12,210 --> 01:40:09,370 they have it in their pre-modern eras 2286 01:40:14,130 --> 01:40:12,220 when people are kind of barbaric but you 2287 01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:14,140 know it's a highly technological era 2288 01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:17,280 it's it's one in a million planets 2289 01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:21,340 literally that makes total sense I mean 2290 01:40:26,490 --> 01:40:23,050 it just makes total sense because I 2291 01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:26,500 don't understand any of it yeah I'm like 2292 01:40:31,230 --> 01:40:29,170 I'm not I don't get it but that's okay 2293 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:31,240 I'm not supposed to I guess well no I 2294 01:40:35,220 --> 01:40:33,010 mean you you're getting it you know with 2295 01:40:37,110 --> 01:40:35,230 these new teachings you're answering one 2296 01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:37,120 of them which is saying the truth about 2297 01:40:43,410 --> 01:40:39,010 the planet is that that there has been a 2298 01:40:45,420 --> 01:40:43,420 cabal running the planet both off planet 2299 01:40:47,190 --> 01:40:45,430 and on planet they work together and 2300 01:40:50,190 --> 01:40:47,200 they have steered the planet in the 2301 01:40:52,020 --> 01:40:50,200 wrong direction which is why the Prophet 2302 01:40:55,140 --> 01:40:52,030 the Hebrew prophets were all killed 2303 01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:55,150 including Christ and why somebody like 2304 01:41:00,600 --> 01:40:58,090 Martin Luther King gets killed or Robert 2305 01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:00,610 F Kennedy gets killed etcetera that's 2306 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:02,970 not typical on other planets that they 2307 01:41:09,540 --> 01:41:06,010 assassinate they're their best people 2308 01:41:11,310 --> 01:41:09,550 and and so the rancher book goes on and 2309 01:41:13,290 --> 01:41:11,320 on and on about life on other planets 2310 01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:13,300 being much more progressive much more 2311 01:41:19,530 --> 01:41:17,170 spiritual and that's why wait they had 2312 01:41:22,440 --> 01:41:19,540 to give us this big revelation to 2313 01:41:23,070 --> 01:41:22,450 explain we are here to help you get out 2314 01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:23,080 of this 2315 01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:25,450 you didn't even create this situation 2316 01:41:34,590 --> 01:41:30,070 you humans knew or victims of of the 2317 01:41:37,890 --> 01:41:34,600 celestial realm I know that sounds you 2318 01:41:41,700 --> 01:41:37,900 know kind of scary but if you think 2319 01:41:44,190 --> 01:41:41,710 about it it's plausible yeah that that 2320 01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:44,200 this is not a universe where every 2321 01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:47,440 planet has you know atrocity you know 2322 01:41:54,420 --> 01:41:50,890 genocide you know throughout yeah that 2323 01:41:57,780 --> 01:41:54,430 is not the design of our Creator this is 2324 01:42:01,110 --> 01:41:57,790 an anomalous situation that is that 2325 01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:01,120 they're doing remediation for all kinds 2326 01:42:04,410 --> 01:42:02,110 of remediation 2327 01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:04,420 then the extraterrestrials are part of 2328 01:42:07,530 --> 01:42:06,030 that that is the positive 2329 01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:07,540 extraterrestrials are part of the 2330 01:42:14,130 --> 01:42:10,870 remediation and it's very very delicate 2331 01:42:17,370 --> 01:42:14,140 situation because the the the Cabal the 2332 01:42:20,970 --> 01:42:17,380 human aspect of the Cabal is still 2333 01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:20,980 empowering in most cases and trying to 2334 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:21,550 repair 2335 01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:24,970 all this this the gift the gifts were 2336 01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:27,970 getting in fact it is my view that the 2337 01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:29,850 rancher book itself has been suppressed 2338 01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:33,490 by these forces so that the population 2339 01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:34,810 doesn't know about it 2340 01:42:42,180 --> 01:42:38,650 right that makes sense to me because you 2341 01:42:44,130 --> 01:42:42,190 know it just seems to me that it's 2342 01:42:46,650 --> 01:42:44,140 always been out there but always within 2343 01:42:49,380 --> 01:42:46,660 a not within our reach because if 2344 01:42:54,630 --> 01:42:49,390 there's too much to digest and I 2345 01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:54,640 sometimes wonder if if it if it can't it 2346 01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:58,090 it might be that the Angels already knew 2347 01:43:01,500 --> 01:42:59,920 this and they gave it to you all in one 2348 01:43:04,410 --> 01:43:01,510 big chunk because they knew it'd be 2349 01:43:06,570 --> 01:43:04,420 sometime out here on this planet before 2350 01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:06,580 it actually got to be able to be 2351 01:43:13,770 --> 01:43:09,520 digested I guess I'm what I'm trying to 2352 01:43:16,380 --> 01:43:13,780 say is thank God for your book because 2353 01:43:18,270 --> 01:43:16,390 the reality is I don't think they 2354 01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:18,280 understand time like we do so it's been 2355 01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:21,040 what 20 years since she's this the seed 2356 01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:22,930 got into your mind to kind of get the 2357 01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:24,490 revelations and you read a book out 2358 01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:27,490 there but how long is the you Ranch a 2359 01:43:34,980 --> 01:43:31,210 book been in existence 1955 it was first 2360 01:43:39,330 --> 01:43:34,990 printed okay so it's it's 62 years old 2361 01:43:42,210 --> 01:43:39,340 and maybe 62 years to them is a blink of 2362 01:43:44,250 --> 01:43:42,220 the eye you know it is and particularly 2363 01:43:47,010 --> 01:43:44,260 when they're dealing with a dark and 2364 01:43:49,770 --> 01:43:47,020 confused planet like this they know that 2365 01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:49,780 there was going to be difficulty getting 2366 01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:52,660 this across and that there would be 2367 01:43:59,160 --> 01:43:56,080 opposition to the truth particularly the 2368 01:44:02,940 --> 01:43:59,170 truth about you know Satanism and the 2369 01:44:06,150 --> 01:44:02,950 Lucifer Lucifer agenda that that those 2370 01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:06,160 you know the retro book is a huge expose 2371 01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:09,160 of luciferianism so you don't think 2372 01:44:13,260 --> 01:44:10,930 they're trying to suppress it in the 2373 01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:13,270 media the media never covers this of 2374 01:44:19,230 --> 01:44:16,800 course oh never yeah you got it 2375 01:44:21,210 --> 01:44:19,240 adventurous and courageous people like 2376 01:44:28,260 --> 01:44:21,220 you cover it and those are the people 2377 01:44:30,300 --> 01:44:28,270 that interview me exclusively fails 2378 01:44:32,130 --> 01:44:30,310 doesn't that the people out there that 2379 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:32,140 would that actually don't understand 2380 01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:33,610 what's going on well we do understand 2381 01:44:35,009 --> 01:44:34,450 what's going on this planet we 2382 01:44:37,409 --> 01:44:35,019 understand 2383 01:44:39,389 --> 01:44:37,419 there's a lot of evil going on and you 2384 01:44:40,739 --> 01:44:39,399 know we speak the truth as best we can 2385 01:44:42,599 --> 01:44:40,749 those are the people that have your 2386 01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:42,609 rancher people on their show right 2387 01:44:47,789 --> 01:44:45,249 that's yeah like Midland of what is it 2388 01:44:49,409 --> 01:44:47,799 midnight in the Midlands or a late night 2389 01:44:51,389 --> 01:44:49,419 in the Midlands with Michael vari yeah 2390 01:44:53,759 --> 01:44:51,399 Mike's a good friend of mine yeah yeah 2391 01:44:56,039 --> 01:44:53,769 he covers this you know for example he's 2392 01:44:57,419 --> 01:44:56,049 courageous and has covered it you know 2393 01:44:58,139 --> 01:44:57,429 it isn't quite you know understand what 2394 01:45:01,379 --> 01:44:58,149 I'm talking about 2395 01:45:04,049 --> 01:45:01,389 yeah damn it isn't the sexy thing you 2396 01:45:07,019 --> 01:45:04,059 know and I get that you know but to me 2397 01:45:09,569 --> 01:45:07,029 it is to me it's about spirituality your 2398 01:45:11,759 --> 01:45:09,579 soul and in the end it's all about love 2399 01:45:14,939 --> 01:45:11,769 and that's what really I was told so 2400 01:45:16,919 --> 01:45:14,949 many years ago that it truly is in the 2401 01:45:20,519 --> 01:45:16,929 end it's all about love when I was a 2402 01:45:22,859 --> 01:45:20,529 teenager they told me that and spend my 2403 01:45:25,889 --> 01:45:22,869 you know driving force since I had my 2404 01:45:28,349 --> 01:45:25,899 first vision when I was first big vision 2405 01:45:30,599 --> 01:45:28,359 I was about 12 years old well I mean I I 2406 01:45:32,669 --> 01:45:30,609 had all kinds of visions but that one 2407 01:45:36,269 --> 01:45:32,679 was the one where I became one with the 2408 01:45:38,309 --> 01:45:36,279 the cloud in the universe when the cloud 2409 01:45:42,569 --> 01:45:38,319 in the universe was a a mass 2410 01:45:45,919 --> 01:45:42,579 consciousness of love and I knew then 2411 01:45:54,929 --> 01:45:45,929 that that's where I came from you know 2412 01:45:56,579 --> 01:45:54,939 and I never understood being here well 2413 01:45:59,569 --> 01:45:56,589 it that's just it we're kind of like 2414 01:46:02,099 --> 01:45:59,579 aliens down here that are stuck and 2415 01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:02,109 we're trying to sort of get out of here 2416 01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:03,760 but the good thing about and what my 2417 01:46:07,949 --> 01:46:05,199 book is also about 2418 01:46:11,250 --> 01:46:07,959 is that you the people in live on on 2419 01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:11,260 messed up planets get bigger souls as a 2420 01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:13,510 result because they have to make these 2421 01:46:18,539 --> 01:46:16,239 hard choices almost every day and the 2422 01:46:21,149 --> 01:46:18,549 harder you know the more adversity that 2423 01:46:24,539 --> 01:46:21,159 your face the more you develop this 2424 01:46:28,250 --> 01:46:24,549 toughness that as I was saying is what 2425 01:46:31,079 --> 01:46:28,260 the soul the soul is the record of your 2426 01:46:34,289 --> 01:46:31,089 significant and spiritual decisions it's 2427 01:46:37,709 --> 01:46:34,299 it there's a part of us that saves that 2428 01:46:38,849 --> 01:46:37,719 in in and as the soul and so that what 2429 01:46:40,819 --> 01:46:38,859 is said in the arranger book is that 2430 01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:40,829 people who come from planet Earth are 2431 01:46:46,199 --> 01:46:44,169 that are the most honored people in the 2432 01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:46,209 higher realms because we've dealt with 2433 01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:48,790 the front lines of dark 2434 01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:54,330 miss and evil and we've survived Wow 2435 01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:57,760 well I gotta say on that note it's the 2436 01:47:01,950 --> 01:47:00,400 end of the show and I just I can't 2437 01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:01,960 believe it so tell people how they can 2438 01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,250 get your book because this book is 2439 01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:05,440 fabulous folks I've already pawed 2440 01:47:08,460 --> 01:47:07,030 through it many times I haven't read the 2441 01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:08,470 whole thing yet but I pawed through it 2442 01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:10,480 enough to know it's really really good 2443 01:47:14,490 --> 01:47:13,030 so go ahead Tom how to get it well if 2444 01:47:16,050 --> 01:47:14,500 you're near a bookstore get it at the 2445 01:47:19,410 --> 01:47:16,060 bookstore I prefer that but you know the 2446 01:47:21,180 --> 01:47:19,420 Amazon you know is got the you know 2447 01:47:22,770 --> 01:47:21,190 ships right away and they have a lot of 2448 01:47:25,470 --> 01:47:22,780 good reviews on there by the way 2449 01:47:27,180 --> 01:47:25,480 so just wherever you buy books you know 2450 01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:27,190 you can find my book you're evolving 2451 01:47:34,290 --> 01:47:30,910 soul and it's at save the website one 2452 01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:34,300 more times always botch it for you it's 2453 01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:35,110 evolving 2454 01:47:45,150 --> 01:47:43,360 with a hyphen and please sign up and get 2455 01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:45,160 my updates because I'm gonna do a much 2456 01:47:50,190 --> 01:47:48,250 more updating blogs and actually 2457 01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:50,200 starting a podcast as well for the same 2458 01:47:54,990 --> 01:47:52,930 oh wonderful well I look forward to that 2459 01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:55,000 I'll probably be listening so that'll be 2460 01:47:59,880 --> 01:47:57,610 great oh love it and one last thing I 2461 01:48:03,840 --> 01:47:59,890 want to say folks go to Laurieann Fenton 2462 01:48:06,690 --> 01:48:03,850 calm that's lor I en F ent oh and my 2463 01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:06,700 name calm and check out my birthday 2464 01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:09,250 party that will be coming up and posted 2465 01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:12,610 by Sunday night it'll be on August 19th 2466 01:48:17,460 --> 01:48:14,530 here in Northern California and it's 2467 01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:17,470 about a 20 or 25 dollar price to get in 2468 01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:20,410 and it's a benefit for my kitty cats and 2469 01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:23,170 you can find out their little story over 2470 01:48:30,780 --> 01:48:26,770 at MUFON Marin Sonoma calm right now 2471 01:48:32,910 --> 01:48:30,790 that's MUFON Marin Sonoma comm check out 2472 01:48:35,670 --> 01:48:32,920 August 19th on the schedule of meetings 2473 01:48:37,410 --> 01:48:35,680 they'll be much more and a place to buy 2474 01:48:39,330 --> 01:48:37,420 your ticket it's gonna be a potluck 2475 01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:39,340 there's some people playing music and 2476 01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,890 there's gonna be people skyping in from 2477 01:48:45,930 --> 01:48:44,080 all over the world to say hi to me and 2478 01:48:48,510 --> 01:48:45,940 say hi to you guys and talk about their 2479 01:48:50,580 --> 01:48:48,520 experiences and Byron will probably be 2480 01:48:52,290 --> 01:48:50,590 there as well and gosh who knows who's 2481 01:48:53,970 --> 01:48:52,300 gonna show up so it's gonna be a lot of 2482 01:48:56,670 --> 01:48:53,980 fun if you're in Northern California 2483 01:48:59,490 --> 01:48:56,680 please stop by and have fun with us like 2484 01:49:01,680 --> 01:48:59,500 I said the bet is benefits my cat's the 2485 01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:01,690 story as to what's going on with it is 2486 01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:02,530 on the web 2487 01:49:05,550 --> 01:49:05,110 like that's lufenuron sonoma calm for 2488 01:49:08,010 --> 01:49:05,560 now 2489 01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:08,020 by Monday check out Laurie inventing 2490 01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:09,850 calm it'll have everything up there 2491 01:49:13,380 --> 01:49:11,890 about the party so great hope you guys 2492 01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:13,390 do it I'm gonna leave you with this for 2493 01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:15,010 max in the chat room and I'm sorry I 2494 01:49:19,950 --> 01:49:17,260 even get to questions tonight but Mack 2495 01:49:21,810 --> 01:49:19,960 says the flat earth is not possible if 2496 01:49:24,630 --> 01:49:21,820 the earth were flat the cats would have 2497 01:49:25,620 --> 01:49:24,640 already knocked everything off so there 2498 01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:25,630 you go folks 2499 01:49:30,660 --> 01:49:28,000 that's the the wisdom for Maxim chat 2500 01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:30,670 guys have a great night great week and 2501 01:49:33,690 --> 01:49:31,840 we'll see you next time here on 2502 01:49:34,290 --> 01:49:33,700 California MUFON radio good night 2503 01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:34,300 everybody